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PostPosted: Sun 03 Feb 2013 9:45 pm 
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AnBraonach wrote:
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I think I agree with Lughaidh's (and Ben's) comment there that iompar feels like "carry in one's arms".

Oh I wouldn't limit the verb's metaphorical possibilities so much. Brón nó náire a iompar mar shampla. It's true that perhaps it implies weight or burden and therefore endurance... which would make beir more appropriate in this instance.


I agree that "iompar" is used mostly to "carry" in your arms or on your back. But as it is used metaphorically with no actual heart involved then I think you can use "iompar" if you want to.
I prefer "beir" as it sounds more poetic anyhow.

AnBraonach wrote:
The verb coinnigh could work here too...


I agree.

Another possibility - "tugaim liom..."

I'd go with "beir".

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So what would be the best full translation?


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So far for the verb "carry" in an abstract sense, we have two for iompraím/iompraíonn mé, one for ar iompar, two for beirim, and further suggestion for tugaim liom and coinnigh.

Anyone else care to weigh in with a preference?



Other remaining questions are:

Whether or not to use fronting in the second line.

níl mé gan é riamh vs ní bhím gan é riamh vs ní bhíonn sé scartha uaim riamh in the third line.

Whether to use the present tense or the future tense in the last line.

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craymond3 wrote:
So what would be the best full translation?

Patience, grasshopper. If you read what people have written to date, you'll see that they haven't agreed on that yet. If you try to rush their decision, either you'll get a rushed translation or you'll get no translation at all.

Incidentally, I notice you haven't said why you want it. This is often an important factor.

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craymond3 wrote:
I am looking for the standard translation for this EE Cummings poem -- can you help me out?:

i carry your heart with me
(i carry it in my heart)
i am never without it
(anywhere i go you go, my dear...)


I would translate as:

Is liomsa a bhíonn do chroí,
Tá sí istigh ionam i gcónaí.
Ní choíche a bhím gan í,
Cibé áit a bheas mé i mo chónaí.


rhymes too :D

lit. Your heart is mine,
It is always inside of me.
I am never without it,
No matter where I ever shall be (live).


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Feb 2013 10:06 pm 
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NiallBeag wrote:
craymond3 wrote:
So what would be the best full translation?

Patience, grasshopper. If you read what people have written to date, you'll see that they haven't agreed on that yet. If you try to rush their decision, either you'll get a rushed translation or you'll get no translation at all.

Incidentally, I notice you haven't said why you want it. This is often an important factor.


I really appreciate all of the help. To anwser your questions why -- my wife and I are pulling together our will. When my will is read to my family I want this to be my last words to my wife and I would like this portion to be read in both languages.


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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2013 3:34 pm 
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pádraigdoire wrote:
craymond3 wrote:
I am looking for the standard translation for this EE Cummings poem -- can you help me out?:

i carry your heart with me
(i carry it in my heart)
i am never without it
(anywhere i go you go, my dear...)


I would translate as:

Is liomsa a bhíonn do chroí,
Tá sí istigh ionam i gcónaí.
Ní choíche a bhím gan í,
Cibé áit a bheas mé i mo chónaí.


rhymes too :D

lit. Your heart is mine,
It is always inside of me.
I am never without it,
No matter where I ever shall be (live).


Nice!


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craymond3 wrote:
NiallBeag wrote:
craymond3 wrote:
So what would be the best full translation?

Patience, grasshopper. If you read what people have written to date, you'll see that they haven't agreed on that yet. If you try to rush their decision, either you'll get a rushed translation or you'll get no translation at all.

Incidentally, I notice you haven't said why you want it. This is often an important factor.


I really appreciate all of the help. To anwser your questions why -- my wife and I are pulling together our will. When my will is read to my family I want this to be my last words to my wife and I would like this portion to be read in both languages.


That's a sweet idea! That said, though...will the person who reads it be able to read Irish? You probably already know this, but it's pronounced quite differently than it may look to an English speaker.

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Feb 2013 4:43 pm 
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"That's a sweet idea! That said, though...will the person who reads it be able to read Irish? You probably already know this, but it's pronounced quite differently than it may look to an English speaker."

Yes. That part is taken care of.


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