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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013 1:50 pm 
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Hi

I have several Irish celtic tattoos, and am looking to add to it.

Can the following be clarified for me as im not very good on my accents when translating English - Irish Gaelic

Please translate the following or confirm if I have got it right:

Rugadh i Sasana - Born in Enlgand
Déanta in Éirinn - Made in Ireland


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013 1:52 pm 
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Quote:
Rugadh i Sasana - Born in Enlgand


this means "was born in England", but the person is missing: who was born in England? You have to say it, otherwise the sentence isn't right... :)

Déanta in Éirinn is right.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013 1:55 pm 
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response much appreciated

Yes im not very confident on the first one, I dont want to be posing it as a question as you saidm, more of a statement of fact.

So how would you put it in the terms simply ''Born in England'' in Irish Gaelic ??


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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013 2:03 pm 
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Ash-h-h wrote:
response much appreciated

Yes im not very confident on the first one, I dont want to be posing it as a question as you saidm, more of a statement of fact.

So how would you put it in the terms simply ''Born in England'' in Irish Gaelic ??
Here's my tuppence worth: Beirthe i Sasana Wait for more.....

Edited to add that 'rugadh' and 'beirthe' are different forms of the same irregular verb in Irish (beir) so although it looks as if I have gone for something completely different, I haven't. Wait for more informed opinion though.

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Feb 2013 2:17 pm 
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Thank you I will wait for a further confirmation or more changes.

As I said it is a fact rather that an open question, so not sure on the verb

Thanks so far


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Ash-h-h wrote:
Thank you I will wait for a further confirmation or more changes.

As I said it is a fact rather that an open question, so not sure on the verb

It's the verb that's the problem, definitely. "rugadh" isn't like "being born" at all. With this verb, it's the baby that does the doing. The expression "to be born" in English actually evolved out of the verb "to bear" -- you'll often hear old-fashioned biblical English round Christmas "she bore a child" (= carried = was pregnant).

That's why Saoirse suggests "Beir" instead -- it comes from the same place as the English "to bear" (it's pronounced the same too, I believe(...?))

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013 4:45 pm 
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beirthe i Sasana is gramatically correct but i would avoid it in a tattoo simply because it is so uncommon in Irish.

rugadh i Sasana as someone mentioned above is the best translation but really it needs a person with it (mé, tú etc.)

if it is all part of the one phrase for the tattoo, ie. i was born in england but made in ireland, i like:

rugadh i Sasana mé,
(ach) rinneadh in Éirinn mé


i was born in England,
(but) i was made in Ireland


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PostPosted: Fri 15 Feb 2013 5:47 pm 
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Ash-h-h wrote:
Hi

I have several Irish celtic tattoos, and am looking to add to it.

Can the following be clarified for me as im not very good on my accents when translating English - Irish Gaelic

Please translate the following or confirm if I have got it right:

Rugadh i Sasana - Born in Enlgand
Déanta in Éirinn - Made in Ireland
As you've seen above. It's going to be difficult to get the same balance as the English, let alone the play on words.

Is this intended to be a left-arm right-arm split? or top and bottom in a larger piece? If the latter, we might have some more leeway for something like:

I Sasana a rugadh mé
ach tá mé
Déanta in Éirinn

I assume you would want to keep "Déanta in Éirinn" as it plays on the labels you find on Irish goods, would that be correct?

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