In Lughaidh's case, I think it's intentional disregard (for the CO).

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

I think Lughaidh considers CO extremely toxic.

No but I think it shouldn't replace Gaeltacht Irish. And btw it is full of inconsistencies.

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

As is everything in real life, a Lughaidh, including the dialects.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

Dialects have inconsistencies because they are natural stuff, and natural languages all have irregular stuff.
The CO is an artificial thing so those who created it should have taken care to make it as logical as possible (that's what they wanted to do but actually they didn't do it, and I wonder why).
There are many examples. Normally, they said they had chosen the most regular things in the dialects. Ok, then why have they chosen to include in the CO the ending in -amar (past 1pl) while it doesn't exist in any living dialect as far as I know (Munster has -amair, and anyway it's the least spoken dialect) while the most spoken dialects ie. Ulster and Connachta, have a perfectly simple and regular conjugation with the same form every time : mhol mé, mhol tú, mhol sé, mhol sí, mhol muid, mhol sibh, mhol siad? Why have they chosen to include one exception in that paradigm, 1pl with -amar that nobody uses anyway? That's stupid. And this is only one example...

Why did they create an artificial dialect if it was to make it as irregular as a natural dialect? They'd better choose one living dialect and make it official agus sin an méid, and people would have been happier, I guess, to learn at school something that exists, rather than some made-up dialect, as if the Gaeltacht speech wasn't good enough to be taught. Now Gaeltacht children have the impression they're learning another language at school (while they speak perfect Irish at home), and they don't know how to spell the words they use at home. That's stupid.

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

Fair enough, Lughaidh, I don't disgree with your position, only with your method of attack, so to speak. Intelligent people are able to take stupidity into account and work around it and even with it, rather than against it.

Personally, I would prefer it if everyone just used my chosen dialect as well. Henceforth ALL TRANSLATIONS MUST BE IN COIS FHAIRRGE IRISH ... no? Oh, well, it was worth a try.

Seriously, though, if someone asks for a CO translation, I humbly ask you to respect their choice. When everyone throws their own dialect in and the dialects get mixed together, we end up with a bigger mess than the CO.

The translations are also marked CO and TAT so that people who don't like the Caighdeán Oifigiúil and/or tattoo translations can peacefully avoid them.

Better to work positively towards what you really believe in and show people how good it is than to waste time attacking all the things you disagree with.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).

I totally agree with you Lughaidh.
Especially that last paragraph.

In Welsh you have to pick a dialect. North or South simple as that.

The CO should not be taught to Gaeltacht kids until they are in secondary school.
Let them learn to write thier own dialect first.
I think we should leave it at that Lughaidh or we will be in trouble.

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It is recommended that you always wait for three to agree on a translation.
I speak Connemara Irish, and my input will often reflect that.
I will do an mp3 file on request for short translations.
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I wouldn't choose CF Irish as the official dialect (for laws etc) because its pronunciation is too strange (I'm refering to the dropping of most /h/ sounds), but rather some other Connemara dialect that has kept the h's.



Yes but as I said I didn't understand the title.

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Is fearr Gaeilg na Gaeltaċta ná Gaeilg ar biṫ eile
Agus is í Gaeilg Ġaoṫ Doḃair is binne

I agree, which is why I offer a choice of dialect before the CO in all cases, and CO is at the bottom of the Irish "dialects" list.

However, one pitfall I found with that system in Welsh, having picked Northwalian myself, was that half the people you met would say "we don't say it that way." It was also my first impression with Irish, being told that my Irish was "wrong" by people from Munster and elsewhere, or having the dialect grammar "corrected" along with the actual mistakes.

I'm quite happy for this kind of discussion to take place in the An Caighdeán Oifigiúil - Official Standard section - that is one of the reasons it is there, i.e., so people can discuss the problems with it without breaking into a CO versus dialect debate every time we do a translation.

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Múinteoir Gaeilge - Irish Teacher
My "specialty" is Connemara Irish, particularly Cois Fhairrge dialect, but I can also speak Ulster and Munster Irish with native-level pronunciation.
Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).