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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2012 2:15 am 
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I understand Braoin's translation, "Ní deireadh go tús", as "there's no end if there's no beginning".

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2012 2:30 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
I understand Braoin's translation, "Ní deireadh go tús", as "there's no end if there's no beginning".


That would be my understanding as well.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2012 2:34 am 
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kierchon wrote:
Thanks guys can i get a direct translation on what Braoin posted "Ní deireadh go tús." Does that work? I like the other saying alot but im not sure if "Ní hé an deireadh ach tús nua" will fit on my ribs
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You wanted a translation of my post. The closest I can think of is:
Ní deireadh go tús = It is not an end until a beginning, i.e. there is no end until a beginning.
The use of 'go' here means 'until' or equivalent meaning.

I see lughaidh has translated it much better: "there's no end if there's no beginning". I find it strange to think of this in English :S but it is nice to see it explained.

Since there may be some confusion regarding the meaning of the above, if you really need to clarify the idea of a 'new beginning' I could put it as:

Ní deireadh go tús eile

The other suggestions are more than grand; it is just that I was proposing a possibly shorter option.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2012 11:32 am 
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Braoin wrote:
kierchon wrote:
Thanks guys can i get a direct translation on what Braoin posted "Ní deireadh go tús." Does that work? I like the other saying alot but im not sure if "Ní hé an deireadh ach tús nua" will fit on my ribs
thanks


You wanted a translation of my post. The closest I can think of is:
Ní deireadh go tús = It is not an end until a beginning, i.e. there is no end until a beginning.
The use of 'go' here means 'until' or equivalent meaning.

I see lughaidh has translated it much better: "there's no end if there's no beginning". I find it strange to think of this in English :S but it is nice to see it explained.

Since there may be some confusion regarding the meaning of the above, if you really need to clarify the idea of a 'new beginning' I could put it as:

Ní deireadh go tús eile

The other suggestions are more than grand; it is just that I was proposing a possibly shorter option.


I like this last option. Shorter still is the following (an alternative spelling of deireadh which is in the dictionary):

Ní deire go tús eile


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Mar 2012 6:16 pm 
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Alright thanks guys. Is there anyway to change this statement from
Ní deireadh go tús = It is not an end until a beginning.

to there is no beginning until an end. Just switch around the end and the beginning while keeping it as short.


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kierchon wrote:
Alright thanks guys. Is there anyway to change this statement from
Ní deireadh go tús = It is not an end until a beginning.

to there is no beginning until an end. Just switch around the end and the beginning while keeping it as short.
That would be:

Ní tús go deireadh "There's no beginning until an end"


(Question to other translators: Would Níl tús gan deireadh "There is no beginning without an end" work?)

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I'd be inclined to put ann in the middle (and I wonder would Ní bhíonn be better too).


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Scooby wrote:
I'd be inclined to put ann in the middle (and I wonder would Ní bhíonn be better too).

Ah, I see what I have done, I was thinking the proverb was Níl saoi gan locht, but it is bhíonn saoi gan locht. :oops:

In light of that construction, perhaps the ann wouldn't be necessary? Ní bhíonn tús gan deireadh?

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Alright thanks for all the input guys. I think im gonna go with Ní deireadh é ach tús nua--It isnt the end but a new beginning. Unless I can fit Ní hé an deireadh ach tús nua on my ribs. Can someone else confirm the first one? And Breandan I'm curious as to how you translate "There is no beginning without an end" because I do like that saying as well.


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kierchon wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input guys. I think im gonna go with Ní deireadh é ach tús nua--It isnt the end but a new beginning. Unless I can fit Ní hé an deireadh ach tús nua on my ribs. Can someone else confirm the first one? And Breandan I'm curious as to how you translate "There is no beginning without an end" because I do like that saying as well.


Going on this, and taking Scooby's suggestion on deireadh, might I suggest:

Ní deire é ach tús eile.
It is not an end but a new beginning

I never encountered 'tús nua' myself - always referred to it as 'tús eile' when making a new start; but then that's just me! :oops:

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