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I'm working on a lesson on comparative adjectives, and I'm suddenly drawing a blank on "ná" as it relates to following words. Would it be...

Tá mise níos airde ná Tadhg

Or...

Tá mise níos airde ná Thadhg

I want to lenite, but I'm not sure if instinct is serving me here.

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2013 10:07 pm 
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Definitely no lenition.


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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2013 10:09 pm 
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Ní dóigh liom é a chara.

níos airde ná Tadhg a déarfainnse...

Slán,

Domhnall

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2013 10:24 pm 
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GRMA. As my daughter would say, I derped!

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PostPosted: Thu 13 Jun 2013 11:48 pm 
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Seconded (thirded? :mrgreen: )

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013 2:26 pm 
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Someone once told me that his teacher used to say "Ná never does nuthin'", which is an easy way to remember the rule. It certainly stuck with me!

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013 2:31 pm 
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mhwombat wrote:
Someone once told me that his teacher used to say "Ná never does nuthin'", which is an easy way to remember the rule. It certainly stuck with me!


Thanks! That kind of mnemonic is really useful to me!

"Ná? Nay! Never!" ;)

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013 6:36 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
I'm working on a lesson on comparative adjectives, and I'm suddenly drawing a blank on "ná" as it relates to following words. Would it be...

Tá mise níos airde ná Tadhg

Or...

Tá mise níos airde ná Thadhg

I want to lenite, but I'm not sure if instinct is serving me here.

GRMA,

Redwolf



I wouldn't soften it either after 'ná'...
ná Tadhg - is right

But you also have before a verb:

Ná habair é! - you're welcome!
Ná hith é! - don't eat it!
That's the only set of occasions a 'h' follows 'ná'... - i.e. before a vowel....
B'shin an t-aon uair a thagann 'h' i ndiaidh 'ná' ... - roimh ghuta....

But if I were saying:
He hadn't a chicken or a fish
then
Ní raibh sicín ná iasc aige.
...without any 'h'...

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013 7:09 pm 
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Anyway the "ná" which means "nor" and the "ná" that means "don't...!" (before verbs in the imperative) are not the same word.

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PostPosted: Fri 14 Jun 2013 7:21 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Anyway the "ná" which means "nor" and the "ná" that means "don't...!" (before verbs in the imperative) are not the same word.



Thanks, Lughaidh. Never thought of that!!! Two different words they are indeed!
...was thinking in Irish LOL....
Do you agree with my post, though? If there's anything not right there, apart from the fact that they are different words :), you might perhaps post a correction.
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