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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 1:31 pm 
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Fuair mé an méad seo ó Wikipedia. Tá sé ar intinn agam rud éigin a chur le chéile do mhic léinn chun go mbeidis in ann Peig, An t-Oileánach, 7rl a thuisint. Níl taithí ar bith ag roinnt uafásach daoine óga, i gcoláistí tríú leibhéal fiú, leis an bhfoirm seo den bhriathar.

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    ! Munster || Standard || Gloss
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    | ''Present'' || ||
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    | molaim || molaim|| "I (sg.) praise"
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    | molair || molann tú || "you (sg.) praise"
    |-
    | molann sé || molann sé || "he praises"
    |-
    | molaimíd || molaimid || "we praise"
    |-
    | molann sibh || molann sibh || "you (pl.) praise"
    |-
    | molaid (siad) || molann siad || "they praise"
    |-
    | ''Past'' || ||
    |-
    | mholas || mhol mé || "I praised"
    |-
    | mholais || mhol tú || "you (sg.) praised"
    |-
    | mhol sé || mhol sé || "he praised"
    |-
    | mholamair || mholamar || "we praised"
    |-
    | mholabhair || mhol sibh || "you (pl.) praised"
    |-
    | mholadar || mhol siad || "they praised"
    |-
    | ''Future'' || ||
    |-
    | molfad || molfaidh mé || "I will praise"
    |-
    | molfair || molfaidh tú || "you (sg.) will praise"
    |-
    | molfaidh || molfaidh sé || "he will praise"
    |-
    | molfaimíd ||molfaimid || "we will praise"
    |-
    | molfaidh sibh || molfaidh sibh || "you (pl.) will praise"
    |-
    | molfaid (siad) || molfaidh siad || "they will praise"

    Past tense verbs can take the particle do in Munster Irish, even when they begin with consonants. In the standard language, the particle is used only before vowels. For example, Munster do bhris sé or bhris sé "he broke" (standard only bhris sé).

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 2:37 pm 
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I had a list of these forms for Kerry Irish on a website of mine, but the server is down ; however I can send you the list if you give me your mail address in a private message.
See you later / Cífead thú :)

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 4:09 pm 
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Go raibh maith agat, a Lughaigh. Úsáidfidh mé an seoladh seo: tomas.ocoileain@foramnagaeilge.com
It's an account I've mentioned a few times around the Internet at this stage, so I don't mind posting it here (seachas PM a scríobh).

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 6:17 pm 
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An é liosta mar seo atá á lorg agat?

http://www.corkirish.com/wordpress/verb ... ion/beirim

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 6:34 pm 
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Rud díreach mar é a bhí uaim! :) Go raibh míle maith agat.

Beidh sé sin an-úsáideach ar fad.

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PostPosted: Tue 08 Nov 2011 11:18 pm 
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That's Muskerry Irish, however these forms are more archaic (some of them) than the forms used in Kerry. I'll send you the Kerry forms tonight.

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2011 12:40 am 
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Lughaidh, if you send them to me as well, I can upload them to the ILF server so that you can link to them from here. It's up to you whether you want to do it that way or not, but the option is available if you want it.

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Is fearr Gaeilge ḃriste ná Béarla cliste, cinnte, aċ i ḃfad níos fearr aríst í Gaeilge ḃinn ḃeo na nGaeltaċtaí.
Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2011 2:46 pm 
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I don't know if this is useful, but when I was in Kerry, they pretty much used those Muskerry forms, except they
tended not to use the -ir ending for the present and future.


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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2011 3:02 pm 
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There are some differences though, for instance I don't think people say "gheibh-" in Kerry, I'm not sure they say "go gcuas" (that I went - ie. using the present particles even in the past forms) etc in West Cork.

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PostPosted: Wed 09 Nov 2011 3:46 pm 
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You're absolutely right! There is a few differences alright for the irregular verbs, especially the
dependent forms, I think in Kerry they tend to use the absolute form more (maybe I'm wrong),
I don't remember hearing the abr- type dependent form in Kerry for deir.

They say "gur chuas" in Cork, I didn't actually notice that they use the present particles in the past
in Kerry, even though I went to Cork and Kerry to learn the differences between them. Just shows
you what you would miss without a forum like this! :)

(The biggest difference between Cork and Kerry I noticed was slender nn being n' in Kerry, but ŋ' in Cork.
There is also a few other things like which noun case some prepositions take.)

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