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 Post subject: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 9:12 pm 
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Hey there, I am hoping somebody can help me?? I am looking for two names translated or written in Ogham (if possible). The names are Amber Glen or... in Irish:
Ómra ghleanna
I would be sooooo grateful if anyone out there can do this.

Many thanks,

Liz.


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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 9:24 pm 
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The problem with ogham is that not only do you need a large stone, but it has to have corner on it where you carve all those awkward-looking lines onto it, and then nobody understands it. I've tried carving but it makes a mess of the screen and as for tattoos it doesn't look good at all. You might want to consider using Seanchló, it looks much better, but when you need to write a lenition you'll have put a point in instead of the 'h'. (My point's usually Guinness) ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 9:31 pm 
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Since names can't be translated (those translations are for other words with the same spelling), you may as well transcribe the names directly into Ogham phonetically:

᚛ᚙᚋᚁᚏ᚜(AEMBR)
᚛ᚌᚂᚓᚅ᚜(GLEN)
᚛ᚙᚋᚁᚏ ᚌᚂᚓᚅ᚜(AEMBR GLEN)

The above may garble if you don't have the right fonts installed on your computer.

(Crossed with franc's answer - I like it. :good: )

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 9:43 pm 
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thanks so much for your help guys... much appreciated.

Liz.

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 10:00 pm 
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Wasn't I right about Breandán being the Ogham expert :D

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 10:40 pm 
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Anyway in Modern Irish it'd be gleann ómra (word-order in Modern Irish is different from English)

normally Ogham was used to transcribe pre-historical Irish.

in pre-historical Irish, Amber Glen should be something like:

GLENDOS AMBRI

I don't know how to type in Ogham here unfortunately :(

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Mon 26 Mar 2012 10:48 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
Anyway in Modern Irish it'd be gleann ómra (word-order in Modern Irish is different from English)

normally Ogham was used to transcribe pre-historical Irish.

in pre-historical Irish, Amber Glen should be something like:

GLENDOS AMBRI

I don't know how to type in Ogham here unfortunately :(


I kind of have a feeling that "Amber" is meant as a first name here and that "Glen" is a surname. In which case, it really wouldn't make sense to translate them.

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012 2:20 am 
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Am I the only one who doesn't see Breandán's ogham symbols :?:

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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012 2:25 am 
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pennyrat wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't see Breandán's ogham symbols :?:

I meant to check on that. There should be three lines with the marks > and < at either end. If you see only blank spaces or boxes or if there are any gaps between the marks, then the ogham text is garbled.


Redwolf wrote:
I kind of have a feeling that "Amber" is meant as a first name here and that "Glen" is a surname. In which case, it really wouldn't make sense to translate them.

I checked in the other side (this is one Bríd brought over :D ) and it is apparently two given names "Amber" and "Glen".


Whichever way we did it though, it would still be anachronistic. ;)

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Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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 Post subject: Re: Ogham
PostPosted: Tue 27 Mar 2012 2:28 am 
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Yea, I only see the little boxes..

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