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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 3:18 pm 
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Just a few details I need help working out...

What's the difference between "fuar" and "air"? I've seen fuar used to describe weather, and air used to describe water. Is it like the difference between the English "cold" and "cool" (and if so, which is which)? When would one be used and not the other?

Similar question for "go hálainn" and "galánta". I've seen both translated as "beautiful" but I haven't yet grasped if there is a difference. Are they interchangeable? Is it like the difference between the English "beautiful" and "pretty" (and if so, which is which)? Or would you use one for specific things and not the other?

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 3:51 pm 
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I don't think I ever came across air being used that way. Can you give an example?

I would say that go hálainn is beautiful, and galánta is elegant. But I think the difference is clearer in English than in Irish. In English, you wouldn't really say that the weather is "elegant" but you can say "lá galánta" for nice day.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 4:08 pm 
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Mick, here's one example I saw recently:

Cuir an sconna air.
http://talkirish.com/blogs/wordaday/arc ... a-tap.aspx

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 4:59 pm 
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Ah, I see what happened now. "Cuir an sconna air" means "Turn on the tap." It's probably a typo.

Cuir air = put on, turn on, switch on etc.

Edit: Now that I think about, I ain't too sure about the whole sentence. Should it be "Cuir air an sconna"? Or is "Cuir an sconna air" acceptable too?

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 5:19 pm 
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I frequently find discrepancies like that in their (talkirish.com) sentences. Simple little things, but confusing for a learner, such as:

Tá mé mall don bhus!
translated as:
I am late for my bus!

I can't remember the others off the top of my head (and my notes are at home), but this is not the only time you'll run into such errors.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 8:02 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Edit: Now that I think about, I ain't too sure about the whole sentence. Should it be "Cuir air an sconna"? Or is "Cuir an sconna air" acceptable too?

I think it's either/or, Mick.

I think with orders, putting the pronoun straight after the verb effectively emphasizes the object (in this case an sconna).

So, Cuir an sconna air effectively emphasizes the state you want the tap in, i.e., "on". Cuir air an sconna emphasizes what you want turned on, i.e., the tap.

For unmarked sentences, it is more usual to put the compound pronoun at the end.

Bain díot do chóta ! Take your _coat_ off.
Bain do chóta díot ! Take your coat off. or Take your coat _off_.

Bhain sé a chóta de. He took his coat off.
Bhain sé de a chóta. He took his _coat_ off.

Could be wrong about that, though, so wait for more input ...

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Aug 2012 8:43 pm 
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So, "Cuir an sconna air." should be translated as "Turn the tap on."

Not, "Turn on the cold tap." as they have translated it. Right? :facepalm:

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mimerim wrote:
So, "Cuir an sconna air." should be translated as "Turn the tap on."

Not, "Turn on the cold tap." as they have translated it. Right? :facepalm:

:yes:

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And because of that, this whole time I've seen "air" I thought it meant "cold." LOL :bash:

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mimerim wrote:

Similar question for "go hálainn" and "galánta". I've seen both translated as "beautiful" but I haven't yet grasped if there is a difference. Are they interchangeable? Is it like the difference between the English "beautiful" and "pretty" (and if so, which is which)? Or would you use one for specific things and not the other?

Thanks, as always. :)


I think "galánta" is a most common word in Donegal for "beautiful".

We wouldn't really say "lá galánta" in Conamara, we'd say "lá breá" "lá álainn".

We do use "galánta" in Conamara though, but the meaning tends towards "elegant" or "stylish" meaning.

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