Cgl, char léigh mé "conas go" ariamh, sin an fáth ar shíl mé go rabh cuma aisteach air... Grma

Maidir le "féin" agus "fiú", is dóigh liom nach n-úsáidtear "fiú" i nGaeilg Uladh ar an dóigh sin. Tchím cainteoirí neamhdhúchasacha ag cur "fiú" in achan áit ach is dóigh liom nach ndéanann na cainteoirí dúchais sin, nó chan úsáideann siad ar an dóigh chéarna é. D'amhanc mé ar "Tobar na Gaedhilge" agus úsáideann na scríbhneoirí "fiú" le foirmeacha "is", nó sa fhrása "fiú amháin".

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B’fhéidir go bhfuil an ceart agat anseo … ní raibh mé ró-shásta leis an ‘fiú’ sin ó thús, ach ní maith liom an ‘féin’ sin a chur a dheireadh na abairte mar sin ach an oiread.

An dtiocfadh leat a déanamh mar “nuair nach dtig liom miongháire féin a dhéanamh inniu”? Nó b’fhéidir gan fiú (heh) “nuair nach dtig fiú an mhiongháire orm inniu”? Nó an mbeadh sin ró-aisteach?

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B'fhéidir:
Cad é mar a ghéanfas mé gáire amárach nuair nach dtig liom fiú amháin miongháire a dhéanamh inniu?

???

nó
...miongháire féin a dhéanamh, mar a scríobh tú.

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I'd say Conas a dhéanfaidh... (just like Conas atá tú as opposed to Conas a bhfuil tú or Conas go bhfuil tú.


About amáireach - I'd like to ask this question yet again, especially since Lughaidh is around: Surely the CO never prescribed anything other than grammar rules and general spelling rules. Other than the small dictionary at the back of the CO book, I don't see much evidence of one word or phrase being more standard than another. Perhaps FGB should be seen as the source of standard vocabulary (although even suggesting there should be a 'standard vocabulary' in any language is absurd, given the continually changing nature of language). FGB gives prátaí / préataí / fataí. I don't understand how some people are reluctant to use préataí for example because they want to use the CO and they feel prátaí is the standard. Who says préataí isn't caighdeánach?

Spelling, then, is probably what is being referred to when we talk about what is standard and what is not - not just general rules but spellings of individual words. For this, as in English or French, it is usual to check a dictionary. FGB gives amárach but also says amárach = amáireach.

So, I don't want to get into the debate about the merits or otherwise of the CO. I would just like clarity on whether the CO actually precludes the use of individual words - let's say fosta, for example, instead of freisin or leis or chomh maith or whatever.

I don’t have FGB at hand here, but if the entry for préataí is like so:

préataí = PRÁTAÍ (<- in small-caps)

– then that means that prátaí is the CO form, as far as I’ve been told. FGB is considered a comprehensive dictionary of CO forms and spellings (excluding, naturally, words that have entered the language since the publishing of FGB). A reference to another entry in FGB is taken to mean that the referring entry exists, but is non-standard in the eyes of the CO.

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Always wait for at least three people to agree on a translation, especially if it’s for something permanent.

My translations are usually GU (Ulster Irish), unless CO (Standard Orthography) is requested.

Thanks, kokoshneta. You're right about the small caps thing. Maybe I should take the time to read the Réamhrá in FGB which, at a glance, appears to explain things.

My attitude, and that of those who taught me Irish grammar in (third level) college, has always been that if it's in FGB it's ok, from the point of view of correcting essays which are expected to be in standard Irish. [I have always accepted a deviation from the standard where a student appeared to know his/her stuff about a particular dialect, for example where a student might have heard the likes of sa gclann in speech. It would just be very wrong to find fault with someone who had learned a bit of natural Irish].

There are two in Meath, created by Westerners moving over via land commission. There may be others.

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I see that they mention Ráth Cairn and Baile Ghib as well as Baile Ailin - which is no longer Irish-speaking - on the page of en.Wikipedia about the Gaeltacht.

Is as Baile Ailín mé ... fuair an ghaeltacht beag bás anseo le glún mo sheanathair. Tá Gaeilge fós ag Baile Ghib agus Ráth Cairn.

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Bhail, ní Gaeltachtaí stairiúla iad, tá mé 'g iarraidh a ráidht nach bhfuil canúint traidisiúnta ar leith acu. Gaeilg Chonnacht a labhartar iontu, dar liom, a' chanúint a bhí ag na daoiní a chuir faofa ann. So ní Gaeilg Laighneach a labhartar ann.

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