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PostPosted: Mon 17 Sep 2012 11:11 am 
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an ghlúin nach ea?


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PostPosted: Mon 17 Sep 2012 11:14 am 
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Gumbi wrote:
an ghlúin nach ea?

Aililiú! :GRMA:

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PostPosted: Mon 24 Sep 2012 9:07 am 
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I finished chapters 5 and 6 on the perfect tense and the verbal noun and thought that I'd check in. It seemed like Chapter 6 added a lot more vocabulary words than previous chapters and the verb forms that it introduced gave me fits until I went back and drilled myself on the different endings and particles. Personally, I'm finding up to this point that the verb forms and other features of the language make the Irish --> English exercises a breeze but make getting the English -->Irish portion of the exercises a complete bastard to get completely correct. I always manage to forget a particle, screw up some lenition/eclipsis rule or not put a noun in the proper case, even though I don't have any problem recognizing these things in the Irish. I managed to get most of the questions in exc. 14 in Chpt. 6 wrong in some way or other (though I was having to rush a little more than I would have liked) after not making any mistakes on the Irish to English portion. On the whole, things are moving along smoothly enough, though. Probably the biggest flaw with TYI is that there aren't enough exercises to really master the material.

So, that's 6 chapters down and 21 to go. I keep hoping that I'll find some time to jump ahead a few chapters, but it hasn't happened yet.


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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 12:05 am 
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Matt wrote:
I finished chapters 5 and 6 on the perfect tense and the verbal noun and thought that I'd check in. It seemed like Chapter 6 added a lot more vocabulary words than previous chapters and the verb forms that it introduced gave me fits until I went back and drilled myself on the different endings and particles. Personally, I'm finding up to this point that the verb forms and other features of the language make the Irish --> English exercises a breeze but make getting the English -->Irish portion of the exercises a complete bastard to get completely correct. I always manage to forget a particle, screw up some lenition/eclipsis rule or not put a noun in the proper case, even though I don't have any problem recognizing these things in the Irish. I managed to get most of the questions in exc. 14 in Chpt. 6 wrong in some way or other (though I was having to rush a little more than I would have liked) after not making any mistakes on the Irish to English portion. On the whole, things are moving along smoothly enough, though. Probably the biggest flaw with TYI is that there aren't enough exercises to really master the material.

So, that's 6 chapters down and 21 to go. I keep hoping that I'll find some time to jump ahead a few chapters, but it hasn't happened yet.


I had the same problem with the limited exercises. I have taken to using exercises from the Basic Irish and Intermediate Irish units that cover whichever grammar point, just for the practice. Only problem is it's standard Irish, but if one is careful about that it helps. Well, it helps me, anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep 2012 9:57 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
You can still get your hands on the original copy, but its extremely difficult to. You might have better luck if you type in Ci/ínnlae Amhlaoibh Uí Shuilleabháin, Cinnlae is the older spelling. Cín is a very old Irish word for book, whereas "lae" is day- "day book".

People need to realise that these books are not just useful for historical research but also because of the language that's used in them. Thankfully De Bhaldraithe has kept the originals for some words like: gus (go dtí). noch/ ór (mar), chum (chun), d' éis (tar-éis). In fairness to De Bhaldraithe he has also given an explanation on how he standardised the contents and the difficulty in doing so. He also has an extensive foclóir at the back of the book and also in the back he has categorised the book into themes and where it is possible to find such themes within the core of the book. That was very helpful for a college essay I had to write.

Its a well thought out book, but its just a pity that it had to be standardised.

Well I'm reading it at the moment, I really want to get my hands on the original printing, but I have to say Amhlaoibh is some character, he's very descriptive in the sex scenes! I must post up some of the short historically interesting sections for people here. Funnily enough, in one part he makes love in front of a waterfall (Eas) with some local girl (not his wife, who was off somewhere else), however on first reading I understood it as weasal (also Eas) and I thought "They had sex in front of a big weasal, what?!". Luckily the article (an t-eas, not an eas) clued me in soon enough!

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep 2012 7:12 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
"They had sex in front of a big weasal, what?!".
Now, there's a tattoo request we are unlikely to get here on ILF!

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep 2012 7:45 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
"They had sex in front of a big weasal, what?!".

This Amhlaoibh does sound like a bit of an eas.

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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep 2012 8:19 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
An Lon Dubh wrote:
"They had sex in front of a big weasal, what?!".
Now, there's a tattoo request we are unlikely to get here on ILF!

Well, if you do, I can be relied on to give you it in genuine 19th century Déise Irish.

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This Amhlaoibh does sound like a bit of an eas.

:LOL: He certainly is.

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Oct 2012 10:05 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Mick expressed interest in an online study group in another thread (here) for the old Teach Yourself Irish (TYI) by Myles Dillon and Donncha Ó Cróinín so I've set up a new thread for the study of that text.

To participate I'd recommend going to the following link and downloading the files there, which includes a searchable pdf and the sound files:

http://www.corkirish.com/wordpress/why-cork-irish

You can thank that old fellow Dave that everyone thought was crazy for being mad enough to sit down and do all the hard work for us. Dave actually wrote to the publisher and got confirmation that it was out of publication and not likely to be reprinted.

The course is Munster Irish, particularly the West Muskerry subdialect and has sound files by native Gaeltacht speakers of the dialect.

A Chairde,
Dia daoibh.

It is good to be back.
I lost my hard disc, and everything on it, but fortunately, I did have some, if not all backed up, but I lost this site, and only found it again by accident.
TYI1961 has been updated.
It is now available as a stand alone pdf with the sound files cut to bite size, and fitted to the text more closely.
I found errors in the sound files in the process, but have not been able, or inclined to correct the old version, so it is now downgraded to beta. You can find the lates version on archive.org:
http://archive.org/details/TeachYourselfIrish
I have also done much collecting, and there is a considerable collection in my library which you can find at:
https://www.box.com/s/2e516599abbe49553576

I got involved in retypesetting, working on the Latin Diatessaron, my translation into English of which, you can find at:
http://archive.org/details/TheForgottenGospel

And having found Father Peter O'Leary's Gospels, I have started to do the Irish translation. The workfiles can be seen at:
https://www.box.com/s/pzq9zhi6y2f940r25oqg
Though over 95% of this latter task is just substituting Irish texts for equivalent English texts, referencing the Latin if in doubt, this is just a retypesetting operation, but there will be places where the system fails, and there I will need help.

Many of the books I have retypeset contain errors. My work is NOT perfect.
If you find any, PLEASE tell me so I can fix them.

Is mise, le meas,
Deghebh.


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Oct 2012 11:15 pm 
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Now up to page 49
There are some complex sutures, (joinings), and I do need help.
Work files can be seen at:
https://www.box.com/s/pzq9zhi6y2f940r25oqg
Le meas,
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