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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 9:02 am 
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What would you call a bastable as gaeilge, le bhur dtoil?


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 9:36 am 
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Hi Franc. I've never heard the word before. It's not in any of my English or French dictionaries and Google hasn't helped me.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 9:54 am 
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I’ve never heard of it before, either.

UrbanDictionary gives this definition:
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I don’t quite see the relation to cooking here, though … :P


Edit: This site gives a more relevant definition:

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Bastable: the three-legged iron cook pot still very much in use in Irish country kitchens. It is hung on a hook above the peat fire in the open hearth and is used for soups, stews, potatoes, and even baking. The famed Irish soda bread is made in a covered bastable.

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I’ve no idea what that would be in Irish …

I would guess that (for whatever reason) this pot is named after the family name Bastable. There might not be an Irish word for it at all.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 10:30 am 
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Well if you look at 'Irish Rural Interiors in Art' by Claudia Kinmouth (on Google Books) it's there - apparently the name comes from the town in the (English) West Country which was known for producing cooking pots. As it was so widely used in Ireland for making stew or cooking soda bread, I feel sure that there must be an equivalent term for it in Irish.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 11:23 am 
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Sin pota. Ní heol dom go bhfuil ainm faoi leith aige.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 1:26 pm 
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kokoshneta wrote:
Edit: This site gives a more relevant definition:

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Bastable: the three-legged iron cook pot still very much in use in Irish country kitchens. It is hung on a hook above the peat fire in the open hearth and is used for soups, stews, potatoes, and even baking. The famed Irish soda bread is made in a covered bastable.

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I’ve no idea what that would be in Irish …

I would guess that (for whatever reason) this pot is named after the family name Bastable. There might not be an Irish word for it at all.



I never heard the English word.

But that is called a "bácús" (not sure of spelling)
Every Conamara home had one in the old days. To cook anything, but especially bread and patatoes over an open fire.

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 2:54 pm 
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Here's the context - on another forum there's a French lady trying to understand and translate into French a book called 'In Ireland long ago' who's asking for help.
- "portions of the fire could be moved about the hearth, and often there were three or four different fires at work, the main one being under the big pot, a smaller one baking a bastable of bread, the teapot sitting on a third and a fourth heating a flat-iron. As to cooking, most of the food was boiled, whether it was porridge or meat or potatoes or vegetables, although the bastable or pot-oven could bake a joint or a fowl to the taste of an epicure, and there was always the frying pan."
So a bastable was not only the pot but a certain quantity it would seem - and looking at the various visual references I've found, there were quite a few different pots on the fire. I've already mentioned the book Irish Rural Interiors in Art by Claudia Kinmonth and there's -
http://www.europeancuisines.com/General ... sh-recipes.
She also asked me about wheel-bellows and how the hearth was ventilated by under-floor vents - for which I'm sure there must be words in Irish.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 5:57 pm 
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In case you missed it, Franc, Bríd gave you bácús above.

FGB describes a bácús as a "pot-oven" (in sense 2, sense 1 is "bakehouse").

It sounds a lot like a "Dutch oven".

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 6:00 pm 
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Ceart go leor - bácús it is.


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