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PostPosted: Wed 21 Sep 2011 1:02 am 
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Cá bhfuil mar gháirfinn amárach, nuair nach dtig an aoibh féin inniu liom!


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2011 9:17 pm 
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Cén chaoi a ndéanfaidh mé gáire amáireach nuair nach bhfuil mé in ann fiú miongháire a dhéanamh inniu? (Connemara)


Meangadh gáire would be preferred in Connemara than ''miongháire''.


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Sep 2011 11:08 pm 
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Cloisfidh tú an dá fhocal, a Bhenjamin - either term is fine.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 11:25 am 
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In Connemara mion infront of words is not really used, beag is used.

For example miongháire would be gáire beag, mionchanúint is canúint beag etc.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 11:31 am 
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Benjamin wrote:
In Connemara mion infront of words is not really used, beag is used.

For example miongháire would be gáire beag, mionchanúint is canúint beag etc.

(canúint bheag)

That's fine as a general rule of thumb but you will hear 'miongháire'. I haven't time just now but I'm sure I could dig you out some literary sources without too much trouble.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 11:37 am 
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Alright that will be interesting thank you.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 12:47 pm 
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Some Connemara alternatives to miongháire:

straois "smile"
fiodgháirí "faint smile"
meathgháire "faint smile"
smaidhl "smile"
straoisín "small smile or grimace"
strainc "smile, grimace"

(Source The Irish of Iorras Aithneach County Galway, DIAS 2007)

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 1:36 pm 
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Personally I've never liked ''miongháire''. It sounds like a coined word to me.
I don't know if anybody ever noticed but I've never suggested it on that other forum. :D

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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 1:45 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
Some Connemara alternatives to miongháire:

straois "smile"
fiodgháirí "faint smile"
meathgháire "faint smile"
smaidhl "smile"
straoisín "small smile or grimace"
strainc "smile, grimace"

(Source The Irish of Iorras Aithneach County Galway, DIAS 2007)


Yes straois can mean smirk, grin.

Bhí straois go cluais air = He was smiling broadly


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Sep 2011 7:33 pm 
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Benjamin wrote:
Alright that will be interesting thank you.

Tomás de Bhaldraithe doesn't mention 'miongháire' in his excellent vocabulary Foirisiún Focal as Gaillimh (perhaps because it's not specifically a Connemara word or usage) but he includes a good handful of other 'mion' words, from mionbháisteach (light rain) and mionfhraoch (a kind of dwarf heather) to mionritheach (jogging). In light of this (and on my own experience) I don't think it's fair to say that Connemara "doesn't use" the prefix.
Having said that, na Muimhnigh are far more addicted to it in my experience...

What I have noticed (and I'd be interested to know if others notice the same thing) is that Irish doesn't make the same distinction between a laugh and a smile that English does. It doesn't help here, since the distinction is crucial to this translation, but in general if I wanted to say that someone smiled at me I'd say 'rinne sé gáire liom' - I wouldn't feel the need to specify whether his 'gáire' was audible or not.

In fact all of the words I can think of for 'smile' - 'miongháire' among them - could equally well mean a giggle, or perhaps a quiet, shy, or forced laugh. If you want to make it clear in Irish that you are talking about a facial expression, you have to use words to that effect - 'straois an gháire', 'aoibh an gháire' or some such. Literally you're saying that someone has 'made a laughing-face'.

Here's blind Raiftearaí in the song 'Baile Uí Laí'. A beautiful woman has just invited him home to help empty the drinks cabinet. Does he laugh? Does he smile? Who knows and, honestly, what's the difference? :)
Nuair a fuair mé an tairiscint, níor lig mé ar cairde é
ach rinne mé gáire agus gheit mo chroí
Ní raibh le gabháil againn ach trasna páirce
Níor thug muid an lá ann go tóin an tí . . .


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