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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013 10:19 pm 
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I am looking for the standard translation for this EE Cummings poem -- can you help me out?:

i carry your heart with me
(i carry it in my heart)
i am never without it
(anywhere i go you go, my dear...)


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013 10:51 pm 
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craymond3 wrote:
I am looking for the standard translation for this EE Cummings poem -- can you help me out?:

i carry your heart with me
(i carry it in my heart)
i am never without it
(anywhere i go you go, my dear...)


Well, just to get things started:

iompraíonn mé do chroí liom
(iompraíonn mé i mo chroíse é)
níl mé gan é riamh
(cibé áit a théann mé, téann tú, a stór)


Definitely wait for more input...I'm still shaky on relative clauses.

Redwolf


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PostPosted: Thu 31 Jan 2013 11:10 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
craymond3 wrote:
I am looking for the standard translation for this EE Cummings poem -- can you help me out?:

i carry your heart with me
(i carry it in my heart)
i am never without it
(anywhere i go you go, my dear...)

Well, just to get things started:

iompraíonn mé do chroí liom
(iompraíonn mé i mo chroíse é)
níl mé gan é riamh
(cibé áit a théann mé, téann tú, a stór)


Definitely wait for more input...I'm still shaky on relative clauses.

Redwolf

Not that those are wrong, but I think the standard prefers the combined forms for the first person:

iompraím do chroí liom
(iompraím i mo chroíse é)
ní bhím gan é riamh
(cibé áit a dtéimse ann, téann tusa ann, a stór)


I think áit takes the indirect relative, as it takes the preposition i. :?:

Perhaps the habitual for the "never" phrase and the constrastive forms for the last line as well?

I think i mo chroíse actually emphasises "MY" more than "heart". Fronting might be more appropriate for the latter:

Is i mo chroí a iompraím é (or should that be a n-iompraím :panic: )

Await further input ... (I'm no less shaky on relative clauses, than Redwolf. :LOL: )

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2013 12:13 am 
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caol le caol, leathan le leathan ;)

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2013 1:26 am 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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caol le caol, leathan le leathan ;)

Ar ndóigh ! :facepalm: :GRMA:

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2013 6:34 pm 
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Here's another effort:

Tá do chroí ar iompar liom
Ar iompar liom i mo chroíse
Ní bhíonn sé scartha uaim riamh
Achan áit a rachaidh mé, rachaidh tusa liom, a stór


I just googled my first line and noticed that this translation has been asked for before at some other site...

Anyway, I prefer the future tense in the last line, and ar iompar liom is a nice idiomatic alternative to the future present tense of the verb in the first and second lines, I think.

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2013 7:59 pm 
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AnBraonach wrote:
I just googled my first line and noticed that this translation has been asked for before at some other site...

So it has. :yes:

On further consideration, I think I agree with Lughaidh's (and Ben's) comment there that iompar feels like "carry in one's arms". Beir might be better.

Perhaps:

beirim do chroí liom
(i mo chroí a bheirim é)
ní bhím gan é riamh
(cibé áit a dtéimse ann, téann tusa ann, a stór)


(I have stuck with the present tense in the last line, though I can also see some sense in using the future tense.)

Await further input ...

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PostPosted: Fri 01 Feb 2013 10:11 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
I think I agree with Lughaidh's (and Ben's) comment there that iompar feels like "carry in one's arms".

Oh I wouldn't limit the verb's metaphorical possibilities so much. Brón nó náire a iompar mar shampla. It's true that perhaps it implies weight or burden and therefore endurance... which would make beir more appropriate in this instance.

The verb coinnigh could work here too...

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AnBraonach wrote:
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PostPosted: Sun 03 Feb 2013 4:17 am 
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So what is the new best translation? get a little lost with the back and forth. Not sure it helps but the poem is intended to be in the present tense.


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