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PostPosted: Wed 06 Mar 2013 10:08 pm 
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Hi all:

I wrote a dialogue in English and am trying to translate into Irish for my comic story.

The sentences are a little more complex than my basic Irish, so I used the google translator, which I know is not correct. Can someone help me?

Here are the sentences:

1. Lucky Clover (Title of story)
Seamair Amharach

2. Welcome to Clover Farms. I am Seamus.
Fáilte roimh go Fheirmeacha Seamair. Is misé seamus.

3. Everything is so green and fertile.
Tá gach rud mar sin glas agus torthúil.

4. Many painters have come here to paint the beautiful meadows.
Péintéirí a lán acu teacht anseo a phéinteáil na móinéir álainn.

5. And if you find a four leaf clover, you will have luck.
Agus má fhaigheann tú ar ceithre Seamair duille, beidh ort éirí leat.

6. I'm not picking any clovers.
Níl mé ag piocadh aon Seamair.

7. Just look at that one. It has teeth!
Díreach breathnú ar go ceann! Tá sé fiacla Tá!

Many many thanks! -- Byron


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 2:27 pm 
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Here's my attempt. but I'm sure others will improve on it.

1. Seamair an Ádh
2. Fáilte go Feirmeacha na Seamar. Is mise Séamus.
3. Tá gach rud glas torthúil anseo.
4. Tagann a lán ealaíontóirí chun na móinéir áille a phéintáil.
5. Agus má bhaineann tú seamair le ceithre dhuilleog, beidh an t-ádh leat.
6. Ní bheidh mise ag piocadh aon sheamair.
7. Féach ar an gceann sin. Tá fiacla uirthi.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 5:38 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Here's my attempt. but I'm sure others will improve on it.

1. Seamair an Ádh
2. Fáilte go Feirmeacha na Seamar. Is mise Séamus.
3. Tá gach rud glas torthúil anseo.
4. Tagann a lán ealaíontóirí chun na móinéir áille a phéintáil.
5. Agus má bhaineann tú seamair le ceithre dhuilleog, beidh an t-ádh leat.
6. Ní bheidh mise ag piocadh aon sheamair.
7. Féach ar an gceann sin. Tá fiacla uirthi.


I think that, even though the OP uses the plural "farms," I'd use the singular in Irish. For some reason we tend to pluralize "farm" a lot in English, when really only one "farm" is meant.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 5:56 pm 
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Balipio wrote:
Hi all:

I wrote a dialogue in English and am trying to translate into Irish for my comic story.

The sentences are a little more complex than my basic Irish, so I used the google translator, which I know is not correct. Can someone help me?

Here are the sentences:

1. Lucky Clover (Title of story)
Seamair Amharach

2. Welcome to Clover Farms. I am Seamus.
Fáilte roimh go Fheirmeacha Seamair. Is misé seamus.

3. Everything is so green and fertile.
Tá gach rud mar sin glas agus torthúil.

4. Many painters have come here to paint the beautiful meadows.
Péintéirí a lán acu teacht anseo a phéinteáil na móinéir álainn.

5. And if you find a four leaf clover, you will have luck.
Agus má fhaigheann tú ar ceithre Seamair duille, beidh ort éirí leat.

6. I'm not picking any clovers.
Níl mé ag piocadh aon Seamair.

7. Just look at that one. It has teeth!
Díreach breathnú ar go ceann! Tá sé fiacla Tá!

Many many thanks! -- Byron


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Seamair Ámharach Lucky (the adjective) Clover Don't forget the accent!
Seamair an Áidh (The) Clover of Luck This might sound a bit less natural in English, but might possibly be a better option for the Irish.

Fáilte róimh go Feirm na Seimre Welcome to Clover Farm (you plural is used here)Is mise Séamus is fine.

Everything is so green and fertile doesn't sound like a proper English sentence to me (on it's own, on a billboard, I mean) in the sense that "so" is a reference to something. Could you elaborate on this please? I hope you understand what I mean by this.

If it is being used in the right context, this should do: Tá gach rud ana ghlas agus ana thorthúil[b]

Tackling the next one literally, this should be OK: [b]Tá a lán péintéirí tar éis teacht anseo agus na cluainte áille seo a phéinteáil


Agus má aimsíonn tú seamair agus ceithre bhilleog uirthi, is maith an t-ádh a bheidh leat! And if you find a four leaf clover, you will have luck (I'm not sure if there's a phrase for "four-leaf clover in Irish, my suggestion should definitely be discussed/confirmed)

Níl aon seamair á phiocadh agam I'm not picking any clovers

Caith súil (or just "féach") (you singular, should be caithigí súil/féachaigí for the plural) ar an gceann sin. Tá fiacla aici! Just look at that one. It has teeth!

These are my suggestions. Await confirmation/correction. BTW, NEVER use Google Translate, it's rubbish for Irish.


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 6:02 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Here's my attempt. but I'm sure others will improve on it.

1. Seamair an Ádh
2. Fáilte go Feirmeacha na Seamar. Is mise Séamus.
3. Tá gach rud glas torthúil anseo.
4. Tagann a lán ealaíontóirí chun na móinéir áille a phéintáil.
5. Agus má bhaineann tú seamair le ceithre dhuilleog, beidh an t-ádh leat.
6. Ní bheidh mise ag piocadh aon sheamair.
7. Féach ar an gceann sin. Tá fiacla uirthi.

I've posted my own suggestions above this post. There are grammatical mistakes in some of your suggestions, the corrections of which you might find scattered throughout my own (assuming they're right!! haha).

Ádh should be gentivised.
Seamar is not the correct form in the genitive case.
This technically means "everything green here is fertile". (implying that anything not green that's "here" may be infertile :D)
I think the rule that applies here is DNTLS, that is, duilleog shouldn't be lenited after ceithre.

Here are a few mistakes (in the first few suggestions), if you like I can get back to the rest later.


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 6:20 pm 
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"So," is often used in American English to mean "very," so perhaps "an-" or "iontach" would work in that context ("an-" would probably be more "standard").

I'm still lobbying for the singular of "farm" here I don't know if this is the case in Ireland, but in the U.S., the plural "farms" is often used in farm names, even when speaking of a single property, if the farm produces more than one crop...but it's still only one "farm." Unless Irish has the same convention of using the plural in a name, whether it makes sense or not, I'd think going with the singular here would work best.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 6:40 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
"So," is often used in American English to mean "very," so perhaps "an-" or "iontach" would work in that context ("an-" would probably be more "standard").

I'm still lobbying for the singular of "farm" here I don't know if this is the case in Ireland, but in the U.S., the plural "farms" is often used in farm names, even when speaking of a single property, if the farm produces more than one crop...but it's still only one "farm." Unless Irish has the same convention of using the plural in a name, whether it makes sense or not, I'd think going with the singular here would work best.

Redwolf

I used the singular in my suggestions.

Regarding "so", we use it the same way here. I actually corrected my own suggestion. I thought I was saying something else and mis-translated a bit. I did mean what I meant about "so" though. Maybe it's a moot point, and I'm over-thinking it, but when I say "everything is so big there" I exaggerate/emphasise the so (maybe only slightly) in order to convey the comparative/referential nature of so (that is, that so is more properly used like this. Eg, it is so big bug meaning it is as big as this (big thing) and by emphasising the so I make the comparison to an imaginary "big thing"). My problem is I feel this "comparison" is not made clear on a sign of some kind.

I hope I'm making this clear, my head is fried right now. I've amended my original post to properly reflect the intended meaning. I feel like I've gone off on a pointless tangent now lol :/


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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 6:54 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
There are grammatical mistakes in some of your suggestions, the corrections of which you might find scattered throughout my own (assuming they're right!! haha).

Ádh should be gentivised.
Seamar is not the correct form in the genitive case.
This technically means "everything green here is fertile". (implying that anything not green that's "here" may be infertile :D)
I think the rule that applies here is DNTLS, that is, duilleog shouldn't be lenited after ceithre.

Here are a few mistakes (in the first few suggestions), if you like I can get back to the rest later.


Cheers Gumbi. Corrections are always appreciated. Can you explain how DNTLS applies to ceithre duilleog (since ceithre doesn't end with d, t or s)?

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 7:17 pm 
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I don't think this is for a sign...sounds like it's for a comic, so technically it would be someone talking.

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PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 7:20 pm 
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Mick wrote:
Gumbi wrote:
There are grammatical mistakes in some of your suggestions, the corrections of which you might find scattered throughout my own (assuming they're right!! haha).

Ádh should be gentivised.
Seamar is not the correct form in the genitive case.
This technically means "everything green here is fertile". (implying that anything not green that's "here" may be infertile :D)
I think the rule that applies here is DNTLS, that is, duilleog shouldn't be lenited after ceithre.

Here are a few mistakes (in the first few suggestions), if you like I can get back to the rest later.


Cheers Gumbi. Corrections are always appreciated. Can you explain how DNTLS applies to ceithre duilleog (since ceithre doesn't end with d, t or s)?

I'm not sure it's the DNTLS rules that applies to be honest, but I am fairly sure it isn't lenited based off the fact that it doesn't feel right to me! I don't know what the rule is called, I'm not great with grammatical terminology! Someone else might have a better explanation.


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