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 Post subject: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 2:02 pm 
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When you want to say for example, A is for Adrian, or A is for Acorn ? (so you're keeping the same sound - not as in - A is for Apple)
In Irish would it be chomh (as in) or - Is A do ...... ? and would A be for Ádhuil or for Agallamh ? and when you give initials - as in CNAG is for Conradh na Gaeilge? Similarly when you say a number stands for something - four for the Gospel-makers?


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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 2:47 pm 
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I'm only guessing here, but I think "ar" might be the best option.

Tá A ar Adrian.
Tá Conradh na Gaeilge ar CNAG.

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Thu 07 Mar 2013 3:28 pm 
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Or maybe -

A cosúil le Abú

B cosúil le Bí

C cosúil le ?? Difficult as we pronounce the C as the English, but most Irish words beginning with C have a K sound.

G - the Irish G used to be pronounced as Gé/Gay. But now I think most people now pronounced all letters in the Irish alphabet just like the English ones with the exception of A. The older generation would most likely pronounce more of the letters differently.


Mick wrote:
I'm only guessing here, but I think "ar" might be the best option.

Tá A ar Adrian.
Tá Conradh na Gaeilge ar CNAG.


I think Franc means the first sound of the word must sound like the name of the letter.

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 9:17 am 
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Yes that's what I was looking for - trying to create a sound alphabet in Irish. I've found this
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaeilge/gramadach/aibitir/ - which would seem to be accurate, so I was a bit surprised to hear the way Eoin pronounces the alphabet on Bitesize/YouTube
There's also - www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm


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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 9:41 am 
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franc 91 wrote:
Yes that's what I was looking for - trying to create a sound alphabet in Irish. I've found this
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaeilge/gramadach/aibitir/ - which would seem to be accurate, so I was a bit surprised to hear the way Eoin pronounces the alphabet on Bitesize/YouTube
There's also - http://www.omniglot.com/writing/irish.htm


Eoin is right. J K Q V W X Y Z are not traditionally part of the Irish alphabet. That's why there are marked as a different colour on the other site. They are only used today for borrowed words. Personally I'd leave them out of your list.

I'm surprise Q is pronounced as "cú", as we don't actually have a Q anyhow.

I have a feeling Scooby will disagree with me. :)

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 10:21 am 
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I was thought in Kerry by an older speaker:
(Sounds spelt in Irish)

a - á
b - bé
c - cé
d - dao
e - é
f - eif
g - gé
h - héis
i - í
l - el
m - em
n - ein
o - ó
p - pé
r - ar (broad r)
s - es (broad s)
t - té
u - ú

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 3:42 pm 
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An Lon Dubh wrote:
I was thought in Kerry by an older speaker:
(Sounds spelt in Irish)

a - á
b - bé
c - cé
d - dao
e - é
f - eif
g - gé
h - héis
l - el
m - em
n - ein
o - ó
p - pé
r - ar (broad r)
s - es (broad s)
t - té
u - ú


What about "i"?

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
PostPosted: Fri 08 Mar 2013 11:11 pm 
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I've posted the older way of saying the alphabet in Irish (as found in Learning Irish) here:

viewtopic.php?f=28&t=2028&p=17911



@An Lon Dubh - I like the use of dao as a spelling for "d". :good:

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
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Redwolf wrote:
What about "i"?

Redwolf

Budget cuts, "i" has been removed from the alphabet!
Thanks I've added it in!

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 Post subject: Re: How do you say for?
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Breandán wrote:
@An Lon Dubh - I like the use of dao as a spelling for "d". :good:

Yeah!, the Kerry speaker used a broad d.

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