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 Post subject: Re: Comic in Irish
PostPosted: Wed 27 Mar 2013 9:46 pm 
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Balipio wrote:
http://s729.photobucket.com/user/balipio/media/Language%20Stories/Irish%20Stories/LuckyClovercopy_zpse5f85c71.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

In the third panel, chun "in order to" instead of agus "while" before na cluainte áille seo (which is glossed as "the beautiful meadows" despite the presence of seo in the Irish).

I'll have to look at the others later.


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 Post subject: Re: Comic in Irish
PostPosted: Thu 28 Mar 2013 2:53 pm 
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Balipio wrote:
http://s729.photobucket.com/user/balipio/media/Language%20Stories/Irish%20Stories/SheepHerdingcopy_zps57f07b14.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

First panel: áit. (Ait is a different word that means "odd".) Le is not a leniting preposition.
Second panel: Ghealach is incorrect. The genitive of gealach is gealaí. Plus the article needs to come in the middle, i.e. Madra na Gealaí "the Dog of the Moon". If you're referencing the astronomical phenomenon then the Irish for that is gealach bréige "false moon".

It looks like a de is missing after tír, otherwise all those nouns should be in the genitive plural (which is generally identical to the nominative singular for the masculine first declension). Speaking of the genitive, seamair should be seimre.

Third panel: The Irish says, "Look at every sheep!" which I don't think is what you intended. I would translate "Look at all the sheep!" as Féach ar na caoirigh go léir!

Fourth and fifth panel: Bheith ag imirt and bheith ag súgradh literally mean "be playing" rather than "play". Not wrong, but not the same as the English (and not really necessary).

Sixth panel: I've already discussed the problems with iarracht and tréad in this construction. Tréadaíocht exists as a verbal noun, but there is no corresponding verb stem. My dictionary gives aoirigh (from aoire "shepherd") as a verb meaning "herd", but I can't find any actual examples of its use.

Rather than having me go ahead and fisk the last comic now, why don't you first have at go at revising it applying everything I've told you about already? Here's a couple of pointers:

1. Don't translate every word. I don't just mean don't translate word-for-word (which is itself very sound advice), I mean that not every English expression has to have its equivalent in the Irish. We use a lot of filler words (notably "so"), some of which are best left out in translation.

2. What's idiomatic in Irish isn't in English and vice-versa. Building on point (1), it's not enough to write out the English and then try to put it into Irish. As much as possible, you need to compose the English with the Irish version in mind (with the ultimate goal of composing entirely in Irish). This means remembering that what is the most natural or common way to phrase something in English may be awkward or unusual in Irish.

Take for example the sentence Tá an áit seo cosúil le brionglóid. It's understandable, but native Irish idiom prefers constructions of the sort which could be rendered literally into English as "There's an appearance of a dream on this place". (See how odd that sounds?)


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 Post subject: Re: Comic in Irish
PostPosted: Mon 01 Apr 2013 3:25 pm 
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Hi Domhnaillin

Thanks again for the corrections and help on these two. I reviewed the changes and updated the stories. I didn't totally understand the changes for the last corrections for <Ceapann na caoirigh go bhfuil tú ag iarracht iad a thréad>

I know the Irish word "Tread" for herd is listed as a verb noun. My dictionary gives the word "tar" also a possible verb for Herd. I checked a few other sources on the word, and they also listed "Tread"....and even conjugated it as a verb.....so, I am not sure what to do with it.

You really know your Irish grammar well,,,as the changes makes more sense now.

Irish and English seem very different in translation, as I am learning this in my studies.

I am still in the basics, so idiomatic expressions or complex sentences in Irish are beyond what I correctly compose.

Go raibh maith agat arís le do chabhair!.....It has been good practice!


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 Post subject: Re: Comic in Irish
PostPosted: Mon 01 Apr 2013 4:47 pm 
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Balipio wrote:
Go raibh maith agat arís le do chabhair!
As you are likely to use this expression a lot, you might like to know that we usually say 'Go raibh maith agat as do chabhair.' It's always 'Go raibh maith agat as rud éigin.'

Go raibh maith agat as an leabhar. = Thank you for the book.
Go raibh maith agat as an airgead. = Thank you for the money.

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