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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jul 2013 1:05 pm 
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I think writing "bah-lay" makes the word look like it has a broad "L" sound and also doesn't show which syllable is stressed. Of course, I'm not saying that my little phonetic rendering was any better though.


yeah but if you write an y, even a small one, people will pronounce "bah-lyay" with a strong y and get an awful pronunciation just as all these people who say "abhaile" as "awah-lyah" and all these horrible things :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jul 2013 4:15 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
yeah but if you write an y, even a small one, people will pronounce "bah-lyay" with a strong y and get an awful pronunciation just as all these people who say "abhaile" as "awah-lyah" and all these horrible things

Yikes, I certainly wouldn't want to contribute to that! :mrgreen:

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Meanwhile, back to the original question.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about that … ;)


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PostPosted: Sat 13 Jul 2013 11:16 pm 
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What abour Rince (Dance)? Short and to the point, and easy to pronounce: "RING-ki".

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PostPosted: Sun 14 Jul 2013 2:06 am 
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Carolina, qué te parece Ealaí an Locha ('Los Cisnes del Lago')?

('Focal.ie' gives cailín bailé for "ballerina" but Cumann Ballet na hÉireann. And I'm sure I've seen or heard rinceoir/damhsóir ballet.)


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Carolina, just to get clarification, is it (classical, jazz or modern) ballet that your troupe does, not Irish dancing?

Is so, perhaps Bailé _would_ be suitable after all. I think to any Spanish speaker the síneadh fada (accent) would stand out enough to make them look twice and realise it was a foreign word or at least want to ask about it. It would be a "talking point", e.g., "oh, look, the word for "ballet" in Irish is very similar to the Spanish word baile !"

The pronunciation of bailé is exactly the same the English pronunciation of "ballet" (as Lughaidh mentioned) but only the British English (and Hiberno-English) pronunciation not the American pronunciation, which has a broad "L" sound. :winkgrin:

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Mick wrote:
What abour Rince (Dance)? Short and to the point, and easy to pronounce: "RING-ki".


Yeah, I'd go with that.
With possibly an adjective added, that I can't think of. :D

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Jul 2013 2:46 pm 
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WeeFalorieMan wrote:

The word for "dance" in Spanish is baile which is identical to the word bailé except for the síneadh fada. I'm pretty sure that every single person who sees it will assume it's the Spanish word baile and think that the "accent mark" is a typo, and it wouldn't come across very well to run around "correcting" everyone. I think it might be better to choose a distinctly Irish word that doesn't look like a recent loan word or like some other word in Spanish. :(


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Carolina, just to get clarification, is it (classical, jazz or modern) ballet that your troupe does, not Irish dancing?

Is so, perhaps Bailé _would_ be suitable after all. I think to any Spanish speaker the síneadh fada (accent) would stand out enough to make them look twice and realise it was a foreign word or at least want to ask about it. It would be a "talking point", e.g., "oh, look, the word for "ballet" in Irish is very similar to the Spanish word baile


Actually, a Spanish-speaker seeing bailé would understand "I danced" (that accent makes all the difference). :)

I agree with WeeFalorieMan that it's better to choose a distinctly Irish word (or words) -preferably one that sounds fairly similar in both or all three languages. And if it doesn't have to be ballet/dance-related, how about Grianstad (Solstice)?

'Tis probably all academic anyway. Carolina from Argentina seems to have lost interest.


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Errigal wrote:
Actually, a Spanish-speaker seeing bailé would understand "I danced" (that accent makes all the difference).
Yes, that's right, if a Spanish speaker were to see the word bailé all by itself with no other context, or in a sentence, it would be understood to mean "I danced".

However, as a native Spanish speaker myself, seeing bailé used as a name for something, doesn't really make sense to me, it looks like a typo for the word baile in Spanish. Things are usually named with nouns (as in English) – Grianstad, Ealaí an Locha, etc., not with conjugated verb forms. Do you see what I mean?

Oh well, no matter how you look at it, it doesn't really work as a name for a dance troupe in Argentina.

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'Tis probably all academic anyway. Carolina from Argentina seems to have lost interest.
Aye, that's why I usually don't participate in any threads where people are asking for random translations, tattoo translations, or whatever. Most of the people who ask for those sorts of things don't usually have a genuine interest in learning the language and after they get their translation, you never hear from them again.


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Errigal wrote:
'Tis probably all academic anyway. Carolina from Argentina seems to have lost interest.
Aye, that's why I usually don't participate in any threads where people are asking for random translations, tattoo translations, or whatever. Most of the people who ask for those sorts of things don't usually have a genuine interest in learning the language and after they get their translation, you never hear from them again.[/quote]
On the other hand, it sometimes makes us look at things in Irish that we might not have considered otherwise. :D

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Jul 2013 10:33 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
On the other hand, it sometimes makes us look at things in Irish that we might not have considered otherwise. :D
Well, that's a good point. People who ARE genuinely interested in learning the language, can learn something from the answers that people give. :)


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