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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014 4:24 pm 
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Mick wrote:
How about Lár an Aonaigh? Literally it means “middle of the fair” but more figuratively it would mean something like “centre stage” or “main attraction.” Here's a list of different meanings from an online dictionary. http://www.potafocal.com/Search.aspx?Text=aonaigh


Is there a website that gives pronunciation guides for non-Irish speaking individuals?


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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014 4:34 pm 
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Go to http://www.abair.tcd.ie and type in any of the phrases that have been suggested. There is an option for two different dialects, Gaoth Dobhair and Conamara.

Bríd Mhór from this forum is a native speaker from Conamara and she makes recordings for people who want to hear the pronunciation of specific words and phrases.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014 8:11 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:

Ardán Láir / Stáitse Láir

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I already gave you a pronunciation for "Ardán Láir". Click on the green arrow.
Like Mick said that ABAIR site is good too, and you can trust it for "Lár an Aonaigh" if you prefer that.

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PostPosted: Mon 16 Jun 2014 9:40 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
I already gave you a pronunciation for "Ardán Láir". Click on the green arrow.
Like Mick said that ABAIR site is good too, and you can trust it for "Lár an Aonaigh" if you prefer that.


I completely missed that audio file. My apologies.

"Ardán" is very clear on both abair.ie and your audio file. The Conamara pronunciation of "Láir" sounds like it has a distinctive "D" on the end, sounding somewhat like "loyd" in english. The Gaoth Dobhair pronunciation from abair.ie sounds more like "lawr" with no "D" sound. Is that a fair assessment?

Thank you so much for your help on this.


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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014 2:10 pm 
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The reason, I think, that there is no fada on the 'a' is that it used to be short but is now long in initial position in modern Ireland. Also, before 'rd' might be part of the general lengthening before what they call fortis (or historically fortis) consonants. In other words the 'strength' is transferred to the vowel, so to speak

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PostPosted: Tue 17 Jun 2014 2:45 pm 
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agrothe wrote:
Bríd Mhór wrote:
I already gave you a pronunciation for "Ardán Láir". Click on the green arrow.
Like Mick said that ABAIR site is good too, and you can trust it for "Lár an Aonaigh" if you prefer that.


I completely missed that audio file. My apologies.

"Ardán" is very clear on both abair.ie and your audio file. The Conamara pronunciation of "Láir" sounds like it has a distinctive "D" on the end, sounding somewhat like "loyd" in english. The Gaoth Dobhair pronunciation from abair.ie sounds more like "lawr" with no "D" sound. Is that a fair assessment?

Thank you so much for your help on this.


Yes...that "d" sound (actually a "tipped r," such as what singers use) is characteristic of a "slender r" in Connacht (I can't speak for Munster), whereas in Ulster you'll sometimes hear an "r" sound and sometimes an "ee" sound (the "Dobhair" in "Gaoth Dobhair," for example. is pronounced "DOH-ee" in Gaoth Dobhair," and the woman's name "Máire" is pronounced "MOY-uh").

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