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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 4:46 pm 
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If you would please, I would like to learn a simple introduction. For instance, My name is Ron, How are you? Glad to meet you! Thanks!


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 5:50 pm 
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Hi, Ron. I've just moved your topic over to the Learners' Corner as it is more of a learning topic than a "translation" per se.

First, do you know where your grandfather came from? There are three major dialects of Irish (Connacht, Ulster, and Munster) and each has a slightly different way of saying everything. :mrgreen:

The simplest way to say "My name is Ron" is:

Ron atá orm. which literally means "Ron is on me", meaning "I am called Ron"
RON uh-taw O-rum (the o in orm is short like the o in "stop")
/roN ətɑ: orəm/

The three main ways to say "How are you?" are:

Cén chaoi a bhfuil tú? (Connacht)
KEKH-(w)ee WILL too
/k´e xi: wil´ tu:/

Cad é mar atá tú? (Ulster) (also Goidé ...)
ku-JAY mar TAH too (also gu-JAY ...)
/kə'd´e: mar tæ: tu:/ (also /gə'd´e: .../)

Conas tánn tú? (Munster) (and Muskerry Conas taoi?, etc.)
KON-us TAWN too (or KON-us TEE)
/koNəs tɑ:N tu:/ (or /koNəs ti:/)


There is also an artificial back formation from the Munster version:

Conas atá tú? (CO)
KON-us uh-TAW too
/koNəs ətɑ: tu:/


Tá áthas orm bualadh leat. "Glad to meet you" (but see here for more variations.)
taw AW-huss O-rum BOO-luh l(y)at (Connacht pronunciation)
/tɑ: ɑ:həs orəm bu:Lə l´æ:t/

As you can see, until you know which dialect you want to learn, you will be faced with multiple choices (though eventually you should become familiar with them all. ;) )

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 6:39 pm 
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Breandán wrote:
The simplest way to say "My name is Ron" is:

Ron atá orm. which literally means "Ron is on me", meaning "I am called Ron"
RON uh-taw O-rum (the o in orm is short like the o in "stop")
/roN ətɑ: orəm/

That, or just (is) mise Ron ‘I am Ron’.

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Cad é mar atá tú? (Ulster)
ku-JAY mar TAH too
/kad´e: mar tæ: tu:/ (best wait for confirmation or correction by an Ulster speaker on that)

Looks fine to me. Oftentimes, caidé is pronounced (and sometimes also written) as goidé /gə'd´e:/.

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My translations are usually GU (Ulster Irish), unless CO (Standard Orthography) is requested.


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 6:49 pm 
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kokoshneta wrote:
That, or just (is) mise Ron ‘I am Ron’.

:good: That's easier still.

Mise Ron
MISH-ih RON
/m´i∫ə roN/

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Oftentimes, caidé is pronounced (and sometimes also written) as goidé /gə'd´e:/.

:yes: I've even seen it spelled that way, in Cith is Dealán by Séamas Ó Grianna.

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 7:34 pm 
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I haven't seen it written, but I pronounce it Conas taoi (no discernible "a"). It could very well have an "a", though.


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So it is, Gumbi. I found Conas taoi? as you said, i.e., without the a in An Teanga Bheo: Corca Dhuibhne. :good:


I think the a is pretty much silent in all dialects but written more by historical convention. :?:

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Breandán wrote:
I think the a is pretty much silent in all dialects but written more by historical convention. :?:

You're referring to Conas 'tá tú etc. here?


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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 8:22 pm 
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Gumbi wrote:
Breandán wrote:
I think the a is pretty much silent in all dialects but written more by historical convention. :?:

You're referring to Conas 'tá tú etc. here?

No, the a in atá, a bhfuil, etc., in general.

I've seen older writings (from early last century) where the relative particles were completely left out. The séimhiú and urú actually carried the meaning without writing them. They are after all silent in native speech.

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Gaeilge Chonnacht (GC), go háraid Gaeilge Chois Fhairrge (GCF), Gaeilic Uladh (GU), Gaelainn na Mumhan (GM), agus Gaeilge an Chaighdeáin Oifigiúil (CO).


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Breandán wrote:
Gumbi wrote:
Breandán wrote:
I think the a is pretty much silent in all dialects but written more by historical convention. :?:

You're referring to Conas 'tá tú etc. here?

No, the a in atá, a bhfuil, etc., in general.

I've seen older writings (from early last century) where the relative particles were completely left out. The séimhiú and urú actually carried the meaning without writing them. They are after all silent in native speech.

Feicim, grma


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Conas atá tú? (Munster) (though I think there are also deeper Munster dialect forms Conas atánn tú?, Conas taoi?, etc.)
KON-us uh-TAW too
/koNəs ətɑ: tu:/ (best wait for confirmation or correction by a Munster speaker on that)


Actually, it looks like "Conas atá tú?" isn't much used in Munster. People rather say "Conas atánn tú?"... "Conas atá tú?" is kinda a standardised form of "Conas atánn tú"... Not sure you'd hear many native speakers saying that... :)

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