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PostPosted: Mon 31 Oct 2011 10:58 pm 
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Lughaidh wrote:
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Conas atá tú? (Munster) (though I think there are also deeper Munster dialect forms Conas atánn tú?, Conas taoi?, etc.)
KON-us uh-TAW too
/koNəs ətɑ: tu:/ (best wait for confirmation or correction by a Munster speaker on that)


Actually, it looks like "Conas atá tú?" isn't much used in Munster. People rather say "Conas atánn tú?"... "Conas atá tú?" is kinda a standardised form of "Conas atánn tú"... Not sure you'd hear many native speakers saying that... :)

Yeah, conas atá tú is a purely standardised form.


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Gumbi wrote:
Lughaidh wrote:
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Conas atá tú? (Munster) (though I think there are also deeper Munster dialect forms Conas atánn tú?, Conas taoi?, etc.)
KON-us uh-TAW too
/koNəs ətɑ: tu:/ (best wait for confirmation or correction by a Munster speaker on that)

Actually, it looks like "Conas atá tú?" isn't much used in Munster. People rather say "Conas atánn tú?"... "Conas atá tú?" is kinda a standardised form of "Conas atánn tú"... Not sure you'd hear many native speakers saying that... :)

Yeah, conas atá tú is a purely standardised form.

Right, I suspected as much. :razz:

Gumbi, which do people use more "Conas atánn tú?" or "Conas taoi?"

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Nov 2011 1:15 am 
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I'm almost sure it's "Conas (a)tánn tú".
I had a teacher from Muskerry who told me that "Conas (a)taoi" was sometimes used in Muskerry.

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Okay, fixed above. :good: (Let me know if I've missed anything.)

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Thank you for your information and support! I will find out where my Grandfather came from. I will start
studying and practicing this language! I work a full schedule but I am excited to have this chance! Again
Thanks!


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I've managed to get hold of a copy of 'Teach Yourself Irish' by Myles Dillon and Donncha Ó Cróinín (1961) where they give the conjugaison of the present of the verb "to be" as follows -
Sg 1 táim
2 táir, taoi, tá tú (with the footnote that tann tú,and tánn sibh are common colloquial forms)
3 tá sé
Pl 1 táimíd
2 tá (tánn) sibh
3 táid, táid siad
and how are you? is given as Conas taoi?


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franc 91 wrote:
I've managed to get hold of a copy of 'Teach Yourself Irish' by Myles Dillon and Donncha Ó Cróinín (1961) where they give the conjugaison of the present of the verb "to be" as follows -
Sg 1 táim
2 táir, taoi, tá tú (with the footnote that tann tú,and tánn sibh are common colloquial forms)
3 tá sé
Pl 1 táimíd
2 tá (tánn) sibh
3 táid, táid siad
and how are you? is given as Conas taoi?

Thanks, Franc, that could be because the book is based on the Muskerry dialect. I am not sure. Conas taoi? does seem more distinctive.

We should check with some more Munster people. (I was only going on Lughaidh's suggestion but he's an Ulster speaker. :winkgrin: )

Gumbi and other Munster speakers, what are your thoughts on Conas taoi? versus Conas tánn tú? Is one more prevelant or preferable than the other?

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In the introduction, they say - The dialect chosen for this book is that of West Munster, as it is phonetically the simplest, and it is closest to the language of the Munster poets of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, who best represent the last survival of the old literary tradition. - They then go into a long explanation about literary and spoken forms, but they do urge the reader to go to Coolea or Ballinskelligs or Ballyferriter or Dunquin.


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PostPosted: Wed 02 Nov 2011 2:33 am 
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I should have mentioned that both my Grandfathers came from Ireland. My Grandfather on my Mothers sides surname is Cellan and my surname is Sullivan which would have been O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan I believe translates
out to son of one eyed. My brother has done research on our family. I am hoping he will be able to help me in
finding our county of origin in Ireland. My wife and I (mo anam cara) are both interested in this study!


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celticdude wrote:
I should have mentioned that both my Grandfathers came from Ireland. My Grandfather on my Mothers sides surname is Cellan and my surname is Sullivan which would have been O'Sullivan. O'Sullivan I believe translates out to son of one eyed. My brother has done research on our family. I am hoping he will be able to help me in
finding our county of origin in Ireland. My wife and I (mo anam cara) are both interested in this study!


According to MacLysaght’s Surnames of Ireland, the Ó Súileabháin family originated in Tipperary, but they were pushed west during the Norman era, to Cork and Kerry, where they are numerous on both sides of the border between those counties, at the southwestern end of the island. MacLysaght says that it is clear that the first part of the name comes from súil ("eye"), but that there is disagreement as to the meaning of the latter part of the name.

By the way, the term you used should be m'anamchara, and some people feel that it is an inappropriate way to say "my soul mate" (I'm guessing that's what you meant), and instead refers more properly to one's spiritual adviser (that's how the main FGB dictionary defines it). Others disagree with that position, at least in modern Irish, and you will see anamchara used for "soul mate" at times. There have been some lively debates on this and another forum about the usage of the term.

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