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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 4:35 am 
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I first joined this forum (today actually :D ) just to have something translated. But I have always had an interest in anything Irish OR Scottish...anything Celtic I guess? And have thought about learning the old language. aAfter reading some of the posts here I think I will try to keep learning after I get my translation......I just have no idea where to even start!


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 5:15 am 
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Hi again, Emily116. :wave:

First tip: when looking for textbooks those with "Gaelic" in the title, e.g., "Teach Yourself Gaelic" will normally be Scottish Gaelic textbooks; and those marked "Irish" will normally be Irish Gaelic textbooks.

As you probably know, "Celtic" is a groups of languages including Irish, Scottish and Manx Gaelic, Welsh, Breton and others. They are all Celtic languages but there is no one language called "Celtic". Celtic is properly pronounced with a k sound as if it were spelled Keltic.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 5:13 pm 
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Yes I knew that "Celtic" covered number of different languages or areas I just never knew how broad the differences were. My family has Scottish roots but I would be interested in really any of it!


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 8:26 pm 
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Well if you're interested in Scottish Gaelic it's Gàidhlig you're after - try http://taic.me.uk/


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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 8:34 pm 
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Irish and Scottish Gaelic are very similar in grammar, the spelling is a little bit different sometimes, the pronunciation is a bit different and some words are different.
Manx is kinda simplified Scottish Gaelic, with a completely different spelling and simplified pronunciation.

The three other Celtic languages (the Brythonic ones), Welsh, Breton and Cornish are very different from the three Gaelic ones I talked about.
Cornish and Breton are very close to each other (but many words are different).
Welsh is quite different from both Breton and Cornish.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 9:37 pm 
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In order to show you the differences (at least in spelling and vocabulary), here is a sample text (the beginning of the parable of the prodigal son, traditionnally used to compare languages):

(Ulster) Irish:
Bhí fear ann a robh beirt mhac aige.
Agus d’úrt an duine ab óige acu lena athair: ‘A athair, tabhair domh a’ chuid don tsealúchas atá a’ tuitim chugam. ‘Agus roinn sé a mhaoin shaolta eatarthu.
Agus i gcionn cupla lá, i ndiaidh don mhac ab óige achan rud a bhailiú le chéile, d’imigh sé ar a’ choigríoch go tír i gcéin, agus chaith a shealúchas thall, a’ tabhairt a shaoil go drabhlásach.

Scottish Gaelic:
Bha aig duine àraidh dithis mhac:
Agus thubhairt am mac a b’òige dhiubh r’a athair, “Athair, thoir dhomh-se a’ chuid-roinn a thig orm do d’mhaoin. Agus roinn e eatorra a bheathachadh.
Agus an-déidh beagain do làithibh, chruinnich am mac a b’òige a chuid uile, agus ghabh e a thurus do dhùthaich fad air astar, agus an-sin chaith e a mhaoin le beatha struidheasaich.

Manx Gaelic:
Va daa vac ec dooinney dy row:
As dooyrt y fer saa rish e ayr, Ayr, cur dooys yn ayrn dy chooid ta my chour. As rheynn eh e eh chooid orroo.
As laghyn ny lurg shen, hymsee yn mac saa ooilley cooidjagh as ghow eh jurnah gys cheer foddey, as ayns shen hug eh jummal er e chooid liorish baghey rouanagh.

Welsh:
Roedd rhyw ddyn a dau fab ganddo.
Dyma'r mab ifancaf yn mynd at ei dad a dweud, 'Dad, dw i eisiau i ti roi fy siâr i o'r ystâd i mi nawr.' Felly dyma'r tad yn cytuno i rannu popeth oedd ganddo rhwng y ddau fab.
"Yn fuan wedyn, dyma'r mab ifancaf yn gwerthu'r cwbl lot, gadael cartref a theithio i wlad bell. Yno gwastraffodd ei arian i gyd ar fywyd gwyllt.

Breton:
Bout a oe un den ha 'noe daou vab, a lâre Jezus.
Hag ar yaouankañ anezhe 'noe lâret d’e dad: Ma sad, raet diñ ar lod danvez a zo deleet diñ.
Hag an tad 'noe lodennet e zanvez etrete.
Hag, un nebeud deizioù àr-lerc’h, ar mab yaouankañ, goude bout tolpet razh e draoù, 'noe en em laket ban hent eit mont d’ur vro pell; ha ba-eno 'noe dismantret e zanvez en ur 'ober chervad.

Cornish:
Yth esa den ha dhodho deu vap,
ha’n yowynca anedha a leverys dh’y das, “Tas, ro dhym an ran a’n pythow a goth dhym.” Hag
ef a rannas yntredha an pygans.
Ha nebes dedhyow a-wosa, an map yowynca a guntellas puptra warbarth ha mos yn hens bys yn bro bell, hag ena ef a scullyas y substans, ow pywa lows.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 Nov 2011 9:56 pm 
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Wow I guess that's more different than I thought it was! Looks really confusing too :S

Maybe you could look at my translation request I have on another area and see what you think? I still need more confirmation now that I've had some input and fixed a few things.

Please and Thank you?? :mrgreen:


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