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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 6:49 am 
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hello large brained all knowing irish people

can you help a poor lad out? i live in Canada and i have a cottage in the forest by a lake i would like to give a name too...i was recently in thailand and the read that king's summer palace there is called "Wang Klai Kang Won" which translates to " Far From Worries"..i thought this was a beautiful name , but since my heritage is not Thai and predominantly anglo-gaelic i was hoping for a gaelic translation of this phrase....can anybody help me? cheers!


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 11:21 am 
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To start us off:

I gcéin ón gcian


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 2:24 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
To start us off:

I gcéin ón gcian


I like this one. It's nicely alliterative.

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 3:58 pm 
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Redwolf wrote:
Scooby wrote:
To start us off:

I gcéin ón gcian


I like this one. It's nicely alliterative

Redwolf


Also alluringly alliterative...


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 5:02 pm 
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But it doesn't mention escaping from worry.


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 5:07 pm 
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kenailan wrote:
But it doesn't mention escaping from worry.


Which is just as well as that was not what was asked for!

I gcéin ó = far away from

cian = sadness, melancholy, depression

Granted, I have not translated 'worries' exactly. Feel free to improve on my attempt.


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 5:48 pm 
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Scooby wrote:
kenailan wrote:
But it doesn't mention escaping from worry.


Which is just as well as that was not what was asked for!

I gcéin ó = far away from

cian = sadness, melancholy, depression

Granted, I have not translated 'worries' exactly. Feel free to improve on my attempt.


I like your one scooby. Its also funny because cian as you said means sorrow and far away.

But i gcéin is actually the old tuiseal tabharthach of "cian" anyway. Just like ón ngréin is the old tuiseal tabharthach of ón ngrian. i gcéin was kept in the old tuiseal tabharthach because it became a phrase meaning far away.

So technically you could also say:

older T. tabh form:

i gcéin ón gcéin

more modern:

i gcian ón gcian

But I think yours scooby is the best: i gcéin ón gcian

You could also say: i bhfad ós na himní(bh)- well away from the worries

i bhfad ó himní(bh) an tsaoil- well away from the worries of life

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 6:21 pm 
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Another attempt:

I bhFad ó Bhuarthaí "Far from Sorrows/Vexations" (also alliterative, if it works )

Await further input ...

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 9:45 pm 
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dearest translators....thank you SO MUCH for all this help and discussion...it's very enlightening reading everyone's take on what the best translation is.....fascinating stuff!!

one thing if i can further proclaim my ignorance...would you be able to provide me with a phonetic guide to how to pronounce the phrases...i've looked for guides online on how to pronounce but i'm afraid i will not be saying it properly as i try to impress my friends and do not want to get busted!

is the c silent in gcéin and gcian? is "gc" a unique pairing that has it's own pronunciation?

is the g like g in gift?
is the c like g in dig? if so, how do you say them (gc) together?

thanks in advance for your advanced help on this...it's much appreciated!


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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 9:58 pm 
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chrischapmanphoto wrote:
dearest translators....thank you SO MUCH for all this help and discussion...it's very enlightening reading everyone's take on what the best translation is.....fascinating stuff!!

one thing if i can further proclaim my ignorance...would you be able to provide me with a phonetic guide to how to pronounce the phrases...i've looked for guides online on how to pronounce but i'm afraid i will not be saying it properly as i try to impress my friends and do not want to get busted!

is the c silent in gcéin and gcian? is "gc" a unique pairing that has it's own pronunciation?

is the g like g in gift?
is the c like g in dig? if so, how do you say them (gc) together?

thanks in advance for your advanced help on this...it's much appreciated!


When you have two consonants together at the beginning of a word like that (assuming one of them isn't "h"), the first generally cancels the second out (ng is an exception). So it's pronounced, roughly:

Ih gayn ohn GEE-un.

Hard "g" as in "girl," not soft as in "gee whiz."

Redwolf


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