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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 10:33 pm 
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In our series: learning by translating a joke from any other language, here is our second attempt. (I gave up waiting for kenailan)

Chuaigh an buachaill óg chuig an mbean agus dúirt sé, 'Cén fáth go bhfuil do bholg an-mhór?'
Dúirt an bhean, 'Tá mé ag iompar clainne.'
Lean sé ar aghaidh leis na ceisteanna, 'An bhfuil leanbh i do bholg?'
'Tá,' a d'fhreagair sí.
Bhí an buachaill beagánín measctha suas agus dúirt sé, 'An leanbh maith é?'
'Cinnte, an-mhaith.'
Leath a shúile air agus chuir sé an cheist seo uirthi, 'Má tá sé go maith, cén fáth gur ith tú é?'

Tá súil agam gur thaitin sé leat. Feel free to correct at will!
(Edited as per suggestions below)

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 11:11 pm 
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Saoirse wrote:
In our series: learning by translating a joke from any other language, here is our second attempt. (I gave up waiting for kenailan)

Chuaigh an bhuachaill óg chuig an bhean agus dúirt sé, 'Cén fáth go bhfuil do bholg an-mhór?'
Dúirt an bhean, 'Tá mé ag iompar clainne.'
Lean sé ar aghaidh leis na ceisteanna, 'An bhfuil leanbh i do bholg?'
'Tá,' a d'fhreagair sí.
Bhí an buachaill beagánín measctha suas agus dúirt sé, 'An leanbh maith é?'
'Cinnte, an-mhaith.'
Leath a shúile air agus chuir sé an cheist seo uirthi, 'Má tá sé go maith, cén fáth gur ith tú é?'

Tá súil agam gur thaitin sé leat. Feel free to correct at will!


Thats good one, I really enjoyed the fact that your young 4 year old when she got her tonsils out could only speak Irish when she was coming around- a real moment of pride for you I'd say. If only more parents were like yourself, Irish wouldn't be in the place shes in now.

Chuaigh an buachaill (first line). I'd say that was more a typo than a mistake because you got it right further down. Its an buachaill as buachaill is a masculine word.

Just on the chuig an bhean bit- in the caighdeán its chuig an mbean- t. tabharthach but if your dialect is Connacht or Ulster its perfectly correct to say chuig an bhean or ar an bhord, instead of ar an mbord. I only mentioned it in case you didn't know the tuiseal tabharthach followed chuig. So for example buachaill, it would be chuig an mbuachaill or chuig an bhuachaill. This probably confused you more :)

Excellent though :good: Thá Gaoluinn bhinn agat, go háirithe nuair ná fuil an teanga agat ó dhúchais. Éacht ollmhór déanta agat. Comhghairdeachas leat!

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PostPosted: Wed 11 Apr 2012 11:45 pm 
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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Just on the chuig an bhean bit- in the caighdeán its chuig an mbean- t. tabharthach but if your dialect is Connacht or Ulster its perfectly correct to say chuig an bhean or ar an bhord, instead of ar an mbord.

Nope, I suspect that's true for Ulster - but I'll leave it up to an Ulster speaker to verify it.

In Connemara, it would also be chuig an mbean and ar a mbord, except that chuig is pronounced like ag (chuig => 'uig => ag) so chuig an mbean would sound like ag an mbean.

Outside Munster (and in the Caighdeán) I think Cén fáth go bhfuil ... should be Cén fáth a bhfuil ...

Similarly, cén fáth gur ith ... should be cén fáth ar ith ... (probably - my indirect relatives are a bit weak).

Measctha suas might be better as buartha.

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An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Chuaigh an buachaill
That was a typo - fixed above.

An Cionnfhaolach wrote:
Just on the chuig an bhean bit- in the caighdeán its chuig an mbean
That I should know; can't claim a typo on that one!

Breandán wrote:
Outside Munster (and in the Caighdeán) I think Cén fáth go bhfuil ... should be Cén fáth a bhfuil ...
This actually came up in a discussion here recently. I am fairly confident that I learned it as 'cén fáth go bhfuil', but I have no idea where my teachers were from. For years, I thought the only 'real' Gaeltacht was in Conamara; years later, I realised that most of what I use is actually Munster not Conamara! Or maybe the Caighdeán takes more from Munster than other areas?

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Measctha suas might be better as buartha.

I use 'buartha' in the context of worried; what I meant was confused. Is there a better way to say, 'confused'?
Grma as bhur gcabhair! :GRMA:

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Saoirse wrote:
Breandán wrote:
Measctha suas might be better as buartha.

I use 'buartha' in the context of worried; what I meant was confused. Is there a better way to say, 'confused'?
Grma as bhur gcabhair! :GRMA:


Tá mé confúsáilte :rolleyes: :mrgreen:/ Tá mearbhall orm/ Tá mé trí(na) chéile [though this one might not be suitable in this context].
I wouldn't use 'buartha' either. Bíonn 'measctha suas' le cluinstin go minic cé nach bhfuil ann ach Béarlachas, is dócha.


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Errigal wrote:
Tá mearbhall orm

Grma. I think that one might best fit this context. I don't think trí na chéile works here; neither does 'idir dhá aigne', but perhaps, 'tá mearbhall orm' does. I don't think I have ever actually used that before - and I have a lot to be confused about! :mrgreen: I presume I say, 'bhí mearbhall ar an mbuachaill'?

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I got buartha from de Bhaldraithe. In a way, I think it is a suitable description of what the young boy would have been feeling, i.e., rather vexed.

I think measctha suas and trína chéile both apply more to situations being "messed up" or "confused" than people, though usage is no doubt changing.

Another option:

Tá sé ag goil ó mheabhair orm "I’m loosing track of it, confused."

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Breandán wrote:
I got buartha from de Bhaldraithe. In a way, I think it is a suitable description of what the young boy would have been feeling, i.e., rather vexed.


Doesn't "Tá mé buartha" mean "I'm sorry" in Donegal?
In the song "sé fáth mo bhuartha" doesn't that mean "the reason for my sadness"?

Breandán wrote:
trína chéile

It often has the meaning of "very upset"
Chuala mé faoin timpiste, agus bhí mé trína chéile go dtí go ghlaoigh tú orm.

YOu can also put playing card etc "trína chéile" or "meascadh suas iad" - mix them up

Breandán wrote:
Tá sé ag goil ó mheabhair orm "I’m loosing track of it, confused."

Yes. And "ag goil as do mheabhair" is going crazy. Wheither literally or again with worry etc.

Errigal wrote:
Bíonn 'measctha suas' le cluinstin go minic cé nach bhfuil ann ach Béarlachas, is dócha.

We do say it. And it is more than likely Béarlachas. But I wouldn't use it with this little boy though.

Errigal wrote:
Tá mearbhall orm

That is a good word to use in a lot of contexts.

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Breandán wrote:
Nope, I suspect that's true for Ulster - but I'll leave it up to an Ulster speaker to verify it.

In Connemara, it would also be chuig an mbean and ar a mbord, except that chuig is pronounced like ag (chuig => 'uig => ag) so chuig an mbean would sound like ag an mbean.


Ya I was meant to put I think in brackets after the Connacht (chuig an) :oops: . I was pretty sure of Ulster though. Is Lughaidh around??? :razz:

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kenailan, I split off your new joke so that corrections won't get muddled. Called it joke 3.... Hope that's o.k. Saoirse.

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