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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 12:38 pm 
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Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge. I am using Buntús Cainte and some words are wrecking my head.

For example, Ceacht 31:

An ndeachaigh daidí ar Aifreann fós? = Did daddy go to mass yet?

Ar imigh fear on phoist fós? = Did the postman go yet?

My question is could you use imigh in the first sentence, if not, why not?


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 2:05 pm 
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ffoley wrote:
Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge. I am using Buntús Cainte and some words are wrecking my head.

For example, Ceacht 31:

An ndeachaigh daidí ar Aifreann fós? = Did daddy go to mass yet?

Ar imigh fear on phoist fós? = Did the postman go yet?

My question is could you use imigh in the first sentence, if not, why not?



I'm not the best here to answer grammar question.

But the second one would be better translated as -
Did the postman leave yet?
"Go" has different meanings in English, where we would use two different verbs in Irish.

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 2:24 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
ffoley wrote:
Tá mé ag foghlaim Gaeilge. I am using Buntús Cainte and some words are wrecking my head.

For example, Ceacht 31:

An ndeachaigh daidí ar Aifreann fós? = Did daddy go to mass yet?

Ar imigh fear on phoist fós? = Did the postman go yet?

My question is could you use imigh in the first sentence, if not, why not?



I'm not the best here to answer grammar question.

But the second one would be better translated as -
Did the postman leave yet?
"Go" has different meanings in English, where we would use two different verbs in Irish.


Thanks Bríd, that makes more sense now.


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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 3:40 pm 
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Breandán will be able to explain it better. :D

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 4:11 pm 
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Bríd Mhór wrote:
Breandán will be able to explain it better. :D

I would have said exactly what you said, a Bhríd. :D


To summarise:

Imigh means to go as in "go off, leave".

Chuaigh means to "go" to a specific destination.

The question forms are ar imigh? and an ndeachaigh?.

The yes/no answers would be imigh/níor imigh and chuaigh/ní dheachaigh, respectively.


Buntús is a great course but sometimes it is short on explanations. Feel free to ask about it here any time. :wave:

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Táim ag dul go dtí an siopa anois. (I am going to the shop now - the focus is where I am going)

Táim ag imeacht anois. (I'm leaving now - the focus is that I am leaving with no mention of the destination.)

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PostPosted: Thu 10 May 2012 6:20 pm 
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Another similar situation is "tell".

Tell a story. - Inis scéal.
Tell him. - Inis dó.
Tell him the way home. - Inis dó an bealach abhaile.
When you are giving information.

BUT-

Tell him to go home.
Abair leis a ghabháil abhaile.
You are "saying" to him to go home.

One verb in English, two verbs in Irish.

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012 8:14 am 
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Go raibh maith agaibh to all who answered.

I suppose much of this is my own fault, I am not learning the ceaths by heart. I try to remember what the correct word is.

Could you also say?

An fágann an fear an phoist fós?

Also I found this glance card very useful (all I need to do now is remember it! :D ).

http://www.dfwgaelicleague.com/files/GlanceCard.pdf


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ffoley wrote:
Could you also say?

An fágann an fear an phoist fós?

Fág is "leave" as in to "leave sth behind". ;)

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PostPosted: Fri 11 May 2012 12:47 pm 
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Quote:
An fágann an fear an phoist fós?


you can't use fág if you donb't say what has been left by the subject.
You can say:
Ar fhág fear an phoist an teach fós?
(Did the postman leave the house already?)

If you just want to ask if he's gone, then it's
Ar imigh fear an phoist fós?
or
An bhfuil fear an phoist imithe fós?

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